Stars definitely took the middle of the road on this one. I really wish they had just followed Full Tilt and made everything 35bb minimum. I'm going to reserve judgment for a couple months, but it seems like Stars is trying to kill off 100bb poker lol.

I really hope this is a level.

Juk

You tell casual player what the have to like!
But you can´t know anything for sure. I also can just guess.

They like to play 20-50bb because the can play higher limits with the same money, the game is easier, the lose less bb, the are used to this tables, the don’t have difficult deep stack decision, there is more action, there are other fishes,they think every short stack is a bad P. player, preflop allin is like in the TV, they hate the whine bigstacks, they have bad deep stack experience …..

SSers now limping buttons, rather than raising/shoving just so they can see a flop and generate rake to earn fpps???
SSers now limping buttons, rather than raising/shoving just so they can see a flop and generate rake to earn fpps???
SSers now limping buttons, rather than raising/shoving just so they can see a flop and generate rake to earn fpps???
SSers now limping buttons, rather than raising/shoving just so they can see a flop and generate rake to earn fpps???

[x]higher limits with same money: semi-valid
[ ]lose less bb: fish lose all their bbs. fish play because they think they are going to win. to them "oh i will lose less money" doesn't cross their mind. the reason they are fish is they think they are going to win, but they lose.
[ ]used to this tables: "this" tables are brand new. no
[ ]don't have difficult deep stack decisions: also not going through the mind of a losing player.
[ ]more action: no
[ ]other fishes: fish don't know who the other fishes are. "if you can't spot the sucker in the first 30 minutes..."
[x]preflop allin like the tv: semi-valid
[ ]hate the whine bigstcks: fish hate hit and runners far more than anyone who talks in the chat, "whine" or otherwise.
[ ]bad deep stack experience: also not going through the mind of the fish.

you made 9 points. 2 are semi-valid. most had blatant grammatical errors. in the game of logical arguments, you are the fish. in the game of poker, you are the shortstack. this is why real poker players can't stand people like you, and neither can fish, but they don't know any better.

Unfortunetely it seems people are "voting with their wallets."

Full Tilt has gotten a second doce of mass tabling full stackers. I've counted at least 10 of the last few days., Some unknown sits and I go to see how many tables he is playing and it is 12+. This happened in January as well, all of sudden their was a rush of multitabling fullstackers when FTP rid themselves of the shortstackers. This announcement is like round two. Considering 90% of my play is at Full Tilt nowadays it definitely isn't appreciated.

I was really hoping to be able to split time again. Not only won't I play no limit on Pokerstars still but my main games got worse as well. To think I was hoping that after Pokerstars announced their fix those original players who switched would go back to Stars. Not only isn't that happening but now more of those players are moving to Tilt.

We all know what a crappy feeling it can be to make a really close call with 500 bb deep. And for a fish who just plays one table and risk his hole BR it is even harder. And he will remember it.

And a deal for you give my 20bb NL1k and you get 100bb NL100 back.
Get it ?

Fulltilt did not make everything 35bb min. They created shallow 20-40bb tables as well.

From a fullstack 10NL full ringer......I was freaked by this change, & thought I'd have to move to FullTilt.

But so far, things at the 40-100bb tables are ok. Still beatable. Maybe it's because I'm down here at 10NL.

Anyway, the nice change is that now.....they respect my raises!

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Not saying that this is not the case - FOR EDUCATED POKER PLAYERS WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF BANKROLL MANAGEMENT. However, I think we were addressing a fish pool (for if it was only regs - then everyone would go offline to play poker, I'm not into break even poker). But we are looking at the fish, casual player, donkey - whatever, coming in on Sat. night. Suppose he knows enough to look at average pot size. If he can buy in for less - he will. He's not trying to go pro, and he's not getting the VPPs, rakeback, whatever.

He doesn't give a darn bout a 2000+ post thread on 2p2 talking about him (because if he did - he certainly wouldn't sign up for online poker ). I've always wondered what newbies fish would do if they could read this. However, he's just looking to feel the landscape out, make some bucks, pretend he's Durrr, whatever.

But he gets ONE chance to deposit by Echeck, since US players can't use cards very easily anymore. AND, he just might be smart enough NOT to plop the whole thing down on one table. (at least, I was when I first started). However, when I first started, no clue on BRM, but did go for some juicy games. I didn't buy in for the whole 100bb (but I didn't short stack neither).

If this kinda fella doesn't want to drop down in stakes, hasn't read up on 2p2, etc., then he has chosen where he wants to play.

And there are PLENTY OF NEWBIES like I used to be, and some just jumping in - that would not fit the preconceived notions you have. There is another customer base out there, and that is where they might find this buy in attractive. So my argument (especially from personal experience in the cardroom and online), is not contradictory nor absurd - and to properly represent a panel, you should probably consider that (especially if they are dropping dollars on the higher limit games).

Remember, not everyone signing in for a new Pokerstars account is seeking SuperNova status - I certainly wasn't.

Obv my post is a level but is right in line with many posts in the thread.

i play at nl100 6max. I used to only join tables have players/flop over 25% and I had no problem finding 12 tables to play on. Right now to find a table over 20% takes some time.

[] Belief you, but you are a bigstack and you can count to ten, so you mastered math and online poker.

That's why I said your post was funny.

We all know about making close calls 500bb deep? You certainly don't know anything about that, because you're a loophole abusing, ratholing shortstack scum.

Und jetzt schön zurück zu psde, und spam da das Forum voll mit deinen völlig unfundierten Auswüchsen gefährlichen Halbwissens, du Muppet!

"Guided" is not the same as "forcing". Reading comprenshun FTW.

On a serious note though, looking through the lobby it appears that the amount of ss tables running at 25nl FR appear to equal the amount of the rest of ss tables running at every other level of FR. I'm not a ss (obv) but for those that are I'm just curious why that is? I'm not talking about a casual player either, I'm talking about the guys that I have thousands of hands on. Also do you guys expect your winrates and vpps to decrease or still unsure? (Serious questions not trying to mock)

Fwiw I play 50 & 25 FR and the games (40-100) appear to have a bigger spread of players now than compared to a few weeks ago on the 50bb min tables and the Euro tables appear to be the same.

And you have just 1 Point and that is close to a lvl (waiting list mimim).

How do they "guide" them toward shallow tables?

Would you complain if they "guided" them to the 40-100/deep tables?

dash, if you're who I think you are I'm one of the players you would have 1k+ hands on. I've played the short tables (maybe ~2k hands) at both 25 and 50nl fr, mostly because I wanted to test some things out. I didn't expect my wr to increase much, but I did expect an increase in vpp's. Over a small sample I was correct on both accounts, although I did run terrible. I'd also wanted to note that if somehow stars' 40bb+ games die, I will be done with online poker forever, and that's not hyperbole. I tilt way too much to play in those games, and sss isn't for me. However, I do expect I could double my wr if I played these tables exclusively without tilting, but that's almost as true for the bigger stack games too.

As far as the 40bb+ games, there is a much larger player pool now due to the changes.

hmm.. just my first day back but at 5/10 then 40/100 games were very good. They also slightly outnumbered the 20/50bb tables.

Also I'm very happy with the update. Though not ideal, this is a huge improvement. No complaints here!

Online Poker is longer protibel with all versatilelys like 20-50, 40-100 100-200bb tables sh FR HU DON MTT SNG Omaha 7 card stud …..
If you ban some of them online poker is quickly solved.

wat

I am who you are thinking of. Your vpps increased?? Has to be sample size no?

What do you think about the HU changes also? (IIRC you play alot of HU also).

Im sure you dont remember me but I live in SD also and met you last year at long boards, Im Ingrams roommate

LOL. I can see why you shortstack. I hope Stars enjoys their new customer base.