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04-14-2010 , 02:25 PM

#1351

sputum

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Originally Posted by Cruel Tomato

I have started to think about cash out

I have only made it this far and only quoted it for this reason but Stars owns

If this is what their casual depositor base really wants they double own.

</grunch>

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04-14-2010 , 02:28 PM

#1352

jmillerdls

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Originally Posted by zrap

The only way to fix it short of just banning ratholing is to...

Fix the labeling of games

Adjust the max buyin at the shallow games to 35bb (maybe 40) The current spread is way to big as most pointeded out immediately after the announcement

For the record, these were the most popular ideas in the Stars suggestion thread over the proposed changes. Unfortunately there were not nearly as many of you guys in that thread as you are in this one. Hopefully Stars will make these improvements in the future...they seemed to want to soften dramatically from what most people wanted in order to please everyone (quite unsuccessfully I'd guess).

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04-14-2010 , 02:29 PM

#1353

dwalker012

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Originally Posted by PS SteveD

PokerStars does not aim to manipulate players into playing one type of game or another,

So stop asking for labels (shallow, standard, and deep tables). Let's play poker.

SMDH

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04-14-2010 , 02:30 PM

#1354

EddieOB

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^ I couldn't hate stars more than I do at the moment but proba wasted space (2 above obv)

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04-14-2010 , 02:33 PM

#1355

SgtJake

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so fockin pissed

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04-14-2010 , 02:34 PM

#1356

dwalker012

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Originally Posted by MellowYellow

Man I am so SO glad to hear him say this. If PEOPLE chose to play a certain game or a certain style that is their choice, people here seem like they are bent on complaining until eventually stars forces everyone with a VP$IP of 30 or more and less than 4,000 hands/month go to the Fullstack tables, buyin full and lose all their money in short order.

Just because people don't choose to play your game doesn't mean it's STARS fault.

+1

It's not PS responsibility to funnel fish to anybody.

Learning to beat all types of players should be the goal anyway. SMDH

Last edited by dwalker012; 04-14-2010 at 02:36 PM. Reason: People need to expand their game.

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04-14-2010 , 02:39 PM

#1357

EddieOB

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Originally Posted by dwalker012

+1

It's not PS responsibility to funnel fish to anybody.

Learning to beat all types of players should be the goal anyway. SMDH

By your same theory why not have 5-10bb tables, 10-20bb tables, 20-30bb tables, 30-40bb tables, 40-50bb tables and so on. Whenever anyone complains just tell to stfu and learn how to beat the game.

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04-14-2010 , 02:40 PM

#1358

ImsaKidd

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Originally Posted by PS SteveD

Are you referring to the distribution of how many hands are dealt of each buy-in type? Or the average 'players/flop %' of players at each type of table?

These are not the primary criteria that will be used to judge the success of the changes. PokerStars does not aim to manipulate players into playing one type of game or another, nor to play 'loose' or 'tight' preflop. These are choices that players should make for themselves.

Please consider allowing your fellow players (and yourselves) some time to adjust and get a feel for the new environment.

I think GrandmaStabone was asking if stars would be happy if the games are the same 6 mos from now as they are right now, with regards to number of tables being played (of each type), etc.

Also, can you tell us the criteria Stars uses to evaluate these changes?

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04-14-2010 , 02:40 PM

#1359

Dire

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Originally Posted by PS SteveD

I'm trying to figure out if you honestly believe what you wrote there.

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04-14-2010 , 02:41 PM

#1360

luckproof

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,935

holy **** im shortstacking, someone find and kill me I cant stop. Fullstack games are **** right now.

Good god there are shortstackers shortstacking the shortstack tables.

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04-14-2010 , 02:41 PM

#1361

ProfessorPain

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Steve,

Can you please clarify what your goals were in making these changes? You say that you don't care about the ratio of SS:FS tables. What is it that you care about?

Do you understand what I am saying when I say: WE WANT TO PLAY 100BB POKER. YOUR CHANGES MAKE IT SO THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS 100BB TABLES THAN BEFORE?

The reason why we came knocking on your door in the first place was to penalize the SS ratholers and make the buyin to play more bb's... Your response is to go in the complete opposite direction. Please tell me this is a belated April's Fool Joke and the real game formats are coming shortly. Come on man!

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04-14-2010 , 02:41 PM

#1362

Raise4fun

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Originally Posted by jmillerdls

In your opinion and im quite sure your in the minority of all the pokerstar players who play on stars.

Your the same one who claimed most players wouldn't play the shallow tables , because you used full tilt as an example.

Oh and it wont make a difference if stars goes with 20/40bb tables just like full tilt has.

I knew and predicted about half if more casual /fish would flock to the shallow tables on stars.

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04-14-2010 , 02:43 PM

#1363

Elbow Jobertski

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Originally Posted by a5wantinga10

REGS - STOP JOINING THE 20-50BB TABLES. START 40-100BB TABLES. DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROBLEM AND THEN BITCH AND MOAN ABOUT IT. DO YOUR PART.

That or change your money to Euros and play 35/100 poker in hopes to make the Euro games more popular. Who knows, it might bring in European casual players.

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04-14-2010 , 02:43 PM

#1364

Dire

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Originally Posted by ImsaKidd

Also, can you tell us the criteria Stars uses to evaluate these changes?

They've developed a new panel. In attendance are reportedly Washington, Lincoln, Hamilton, Jackson, Grant and Franklin.

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04-14-2010 , 02:44 PM

#1365

EddieOB

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Originally Posted by Raise4fun

In your opinion and im quite sure your in the minority of all the pokerstar players who play on stars.

You tell him its only his oppinion, and then go on to make an oppinionated statement that you are "quite sure" of. LOL the arguments for the rules changes get better and better.

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04-14-2010 , 02:44 PM

#1366

jmillerdls

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Originally Posted by Raise4fun

In your opinion and im quite sure your in the minority of all the pokerstar players who play on stars.

I'm content with the changes...but based on this thread, they didn't please everyone. Isn't really an opinion, but a fact.

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04-14-2010 , 02:45 PM

#1367

Michael Davis

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Steve,

Please change all poker games on your network to limit badugi, allow only 12bb buy-ins, require autorebuy to a full stack, and necessitate that all players be sitting at a minimum of six tables at all times, with grace periods of ten minutes at the beginning of their session, two minutes within their session, and ten minutes when they hit a "session over" button upon conclusion.

I have been trying to 24-table badugi for years but there are never enough fish.

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04-14-2010 , 02:46 PM

#1368

RikaKazak

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ZOMG...so I logged into stars to see "how things are going"...and some of the tables are ALL short stacking regs.

It's REALLY funny, cause before when they could table select they were always breakeven to slight losers (living off of fpps) I can't wait to see their winrates in 6 months...it's going to be HILARIOUS!!!

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04-14-2010 , 02:46 PM

#1369

jmillerdls

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Originally Posted by luckproof

holy **** im shortstacking, someone find and kill me I cant stop. Fullstack games are **** right now.

Good god there are shortstackers shortstacking the shortstack tables.

There is nothing wrong with short stacking if you are doing it with other short stacks. Unfortunately, the spread is still pretty wide in these games...but it far less significant than it use to be. The people that choose to play a short stack table know what they are getting into...you are fine.

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04-14-2010 , 02:47 PM

#1370

downgoesdown

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Originally Posted by jglsd1

yeah the EV must be totally wrong or something..

oh wait, it's completely normal over 1.5M hands to be 8k off

completely within the realm of possibility

anyways ive got some money to make

-4k winnings +4k in ev 8K in bonuses 8k in SNGs

yeah it takes a minute to learn

hahahahhahahahahaha

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04-14-2010 , 02:47 PM

#1371

Raise4fun

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Originally Posted by jmillerdls

I'm content with the changes...but based on this thread, they didn't please everyone. Isn't really an opinion, but a fact.

What about your claim that the shallow tables would not be a issue? Would you like to retract your stance on this?

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04-14-2010 , 02:48 PM

#1372

Elbow Jobertski

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Originally Posted by ProfessorPain

Might want to change the "we" to "I."

I play PLO, and 100bbs strikes me as the real bastardization of poker. Something like 300bbs allows for some depth, and something like 40 - 50 bb capped games is fun as a shovefest. 100bb is just useless on both fronts.

I don't think I'm the leader of some movement for truth and justice though. Just another sod with an opinion.