I was really unsure what to do in this situation. Should I call the turn shove or should I have either folded or shoved the flop?


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CO: $65.55
Hero (BTN): $98.40
SB: $25.70
BB: $55.35
UTG: $30.20
UTG+1: $50.20
UTG+2: $40.00
MP1: $61.85
MP2: $63.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with T T
5 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, CO calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.75) K 7 3 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO raises to $16, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($42.75) J (2 players)
CO bets $44.55 all in

in my experience rushing this is an easy fold on the flop, def. do not shove flop lol and very easy fold on turn as played

What numbers are you looking for to set mine? I find at the micros hardly anyone stacks off TPTK anymore. I make a note on anyone who will stack off and after 120,000 hands those notes are few and far between. I only play 5 and 10nl FR, does it change at higher stakes? Just curious as I'm happy at the micros.

I used to do that all the time, call the miniraise without a plan. Now it's either fold or raise depending on villain and board texture.

agreed

ok the beauty and torment of rush = playing 1/2 in the first 17 mins i take a seat down 4 BIs-

JT<KK on 8978 bd at 17:57
44 < 66 set over set at 18:08
kk<AJ aipf at 18:12
j9<88 on 8TQA bd at 18:14

god i love it

there i feel better

I did that today too but I quit after 2 buyins lost and I lost those 2 buyins + simply because I play bad

A few questions guys.
I'm playing NL5, doing rather well but there are a few things I can't put my finger on.
The overall call3bet % from other players is probably 15% or so. Therefore I am 3betting with hands like Th8h and those kind of hands all the time. (I kinda guess I could 3bet any hand at all profitable if the call is 15% though)
On the other hand everytime you reraise with AK/AQ/KK/AA you will get called 15% as well. My play atm is to setmine (pretty much) with 22-QQ, call with AK and AQ most of the time and reraise with KK/AA, praying for a wacko.
Perhaps I should call with AA/KK as well and try to not get too attached when the board is dangerous.
How can I improve my tactics?

Also here's two hands I kinda feel I could need some advices on.
Hand #1
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BTN: $3.10
SB: $25.98
BB: $5.28
Hero (UTG): $10.97
MP: $2.81
CO: $4.91

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $0.17, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.17, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.68) 8 Q K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, BTN raises to $2.93 all in, SB calls $2.93, BB folds, Hero folds

Turn: ($6.99) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($6.99) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Hand #2
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Hero (MP): $25.82
CO: $4.02
BTN: $3.48
SB: $4.73
BB: $5.89
UTG: $2.89

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.17, CO calls $0.17, 2 folds, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.53) 8 9 T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, CO folds, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.33) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.85, BB calls $0.85

River: ($3.03) Q (2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero folds

both hands look pretty well played to me

I would snapcall hand 1 if it was heads-up but SB calling means he probably has a draw or the nuts so I kind of need to know who the fish are in this hand to call
if they're both really bad (and button being aggrofish while SB is a calling station) I'd try to call and check it down I guess
but against unknown players I'd just fold

easy river fold in hand 2, wp

a gross spot i got myself into

misplayed flop i guess stack sizes were annoying

im not too proud of turn either!

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edit to add this weird hand that just happened

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UTG+1: $243.50
UTG+2: $351.65
MP1: $181.15
MP2: $110.30
CO: $307.00
BTN: $200.00
SB: $94.45
Hero (BB): $278.75
UTG: $185.50

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with K K
5 folds, CO raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) 4 6 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero raises to $22, CO calls $14

Turn: ($57.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($57.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks



UTG+1: $316.70
UTG+2: $75.00
MP1: $258.65
MP2: $200.25
CO: $216.55
Hero (BTN): $204.00
SB: $307.80
BB: $200.00
UTG: $84.45

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 raises to $9, MP1 calls $9, 2 folds, Hero calls $9, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $7

Flop: ($39.00) 9 9 2 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $32, MP1 folds, Hero calls $32, UTG+1 calls $32

Turn: ($135.00) 6 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $34 all in, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls $34

River: ($203.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

a last hand

he has kj a sh%t ton here but he is short

i had to time bank to figure out if its worth raising i ultimately decided no

ps i should bet turn here but i forgot i was the preflop raiser and was confused about the flow of the hand! just a playing mistake

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MP2: $110.75
CO: $194.00
BTN: $202.30
SB: $370.05
BB: $202.00
Hero (UTG): $247.25
UTG+1: $75.00
UTG+2: $153.25
MP1: $260.80

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $6, 1 fold, MP2 calls $6, 4 folds

Flop: ($21.00) T 7 A (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks

Turn: ($21.00) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks

River: ($21.00) Q (3 players)
Hero bets $14, UTG+2 folds, MP2 raises to $42, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $28

sorry about the above hands the jj hand was supposed to be first and my comments about misplaying flop and turn referred to the jj hand

why didn't you 3b KK pre
I'm sitting around steaming about getting 4b all day long and praying to pick up AK so I can ship it in...

you already made your decision on the flop with JJ so can't fold turn
with QQ river is close since he's so short whatever he raised for value is his calling range
so if he raised 87 he's going to be calling it off most likely
if he has aces up he's all in before you are
but he has straights in his range and MAY only flat two purr
so basically what I'm saying is if 51% of his range is two pair it's a ship, if 50% is two pair and the rest are straights then might as well save your moneys

brujita u are a nit man, damn.

lol that is pretty funny. maybe i am.

thoughts

jj hand:

i'm not sure about the flop play but once i call i think i'm committed vs the short stack if its just us two.

when utg check overcalls assuming he is decent almost all his range is some variety of flush draws, monsters (trips or better) or maybe tt.

the ss has a pretty strong range there after betting half his stack four ways.

i think folding jj on the turn is clearly the right play, im just worried that folding the flop might be better. hell i am a nit.

anyways utg had ahxh and ss had qq
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kk hand:

pretty standard and boring not sure why i posted it. i reraise there 95% of the time. this was the 5%. i guess combination of balancing and stack sizes. i am flatting a lot more out of the bb, so i just want the flat to be all my range some pct of the time.

not sure if i should put in a river bet there.

anyways at the time i thought it was funny because he had aa. but really not that interesting.

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hand 3:

looking back i think this one was a clear call rather than a shove. iopq's math is dead on and i think he has a straight closer to 80% there. he did have kj.

lost 1.5k in 30minutes...

2x set < set
flopped str8 < riverd fh
KK < AA
AA < top2 in 3bet pot
set allin on turn < fd

rush rulez

I think 80% is a bit high. I think TQ comes up quite a bit, even with it representing the case queen, as well as 78, poorly played undersets, the occasional but rare AQ, etc. He's a short stacker, so he must be bad .

Your 80% figure may be true given a 100bb+ stack (I'd actually put it around 60-67%, but Given a short stack, I actually put this figure below 50%...but maybe I am the anti-nit, cause I just about never give a SS credit for a hand.

I lose more than you here. Against a full stack I probably flat. I don't think I am good enough to fold here ever.

80 pct is too highh, i wanted to go back and edit that i think around 60-75 pct is about right even given his stack

im not good enough to fold there ever either. i dont even know if its worth considering folding there.

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Stacks:
UTG ($48)
UTG+1 ($57.70)
MP1 ($78.35)
MP2 ($53.80)
MP3 ($28.40)
CO ($84.40)
BTN ($111.85)
BB ($15.75)

Pre-Flop: ($0.50, 8 players)
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.75, 3 folds, CO calls $1.75, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $5.75

Flop: 5 9 3 ($17.25, 1 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6.50, CO calls $13.50

Turn: 4 ($57.25, 1 players)
Hero goes all-in $26.15, CO calls $26.15

River: A ($109.55, 1 players)

Final Pot: $109.55
CO shows a straight, Five high
2 2

CO wins $106.55 (net +$52.90)

UTG+1 lost $1.75

much love, i have no idea how to do that

People overvalue balance faaaaaaaaar too much. The reality is that most players at 200nl and lower are just flat out not adjusting enough to make it worthwhile. Balance in many spots is flat out -EV. The only really justification I think you have to flat KK here is if A) his opening range is very wide and B) he isn't 4betting much and is folding too often to 3bets. If A and B both aren't true, I can't see a good enough reason to not 3bet here.

Read it closely it is gonna get him a suspension

no point in flatting KK OOP
1. you're OOP
2. he's IP so he will call more 3bs

you're not balancing by doing it 5% of the time because I don't have to adjust at all since 5% is way too rare to notice ever (the times you raise me on the flop I'll just assume you had a set) and even if you do show the hand down I'll just make a note you're a nit and give you less action post-flop so when you do flop a set I'm less likely to stack-off
ok, let's say you do it 25% of the time... yes you're balancing your calling range, but you're screwing your 3b range

also that hand is so not standard because your check on the turn is nitty
how much of his range is 3x? I mean, really? He's gonna have 33, A3 and that's about it, 10 combos
his flop calling range is like spades, 77, 88, JJ, QQ, 33 and he might even folds A3s on the flop considering he's drawing to the low end of the straight (unless it's spades)
bet it for protection
by protection I mean we don't expect to get called much, but we would like him to fold his flush draws and Ax type hands (if he has them)

another thing is that given the flop texture he would probably 3b sets because he doesn't want you to shut down on a spade or 7 turn so you're good here a lot

man my balance point seemed to have struck a nerve!

maybe the turn check is nitty because of the flush draw. if not i think its fine to de leverage the hand and get one street of value at least on the river. i think the bad thing is not getting value on either street.

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another thing is that given the flop texture he would probably 3b sets because he doesn't want you to shut down on a spade or 7 turn so you're good here a lot

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i think this is a very good point and why the hand is played badly, given the way its played my kk has to be good very often, too often to not attempt to get value

I keep thinking if I made the right move below, i knew i was up against AK+ but wasn't sure if I made the right call pre flop for set odds.

I was hesitant at first cause the 3bettor was short stacked but sb called(had a fold to blind steal of 80+, i figure he had a big hand), +dead money on the pot and relative position. Or maybe I just donked out =P

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UTG+1: $67.33
UTG+2: $25.10
MP1: $25.46
MP2: $24.45
Hero (CO): $26.07
BTN: $10.00
SB: $20.00
BB: $27.92
UTG: $27.78

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with 8 8
4 folds, MP2 raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, BTN raises to $2.75, SB calls $2.65, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9.25) 5 8 Q (3 players)
SB bets $4.80, Hero raises to $15, BTN calls $7.25 all in, SB raises to $17.25 all in, Hero calls $2.25

Turn: ($51.00) J (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($51.00) 4 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $51.00