YOU were the one complaining tournament players get all the value which isnt really true, the Leaderboard and 2 mill FPP tournament have nothing to do with the VIP program, so if you're just in general complaining that there are more tournament promotions happening thats just stupid because A) Tournaments lend themselves better to promos in the first place and B) again Stars has always been a tournament site first. You seem to feel you're entitled to promo money or something which is ******ed, stars does there promos and you either take advantage or dont, complaining about a bonus that you CHOOSE not to take advantage of is completely ridiculous.

I agree that some of 1p0kernoy's complaints are a bit far-fetched.
I get where he's trying to come from with some of them but I just don't think they should possibly be viewed as that big a deal.

The Elite thing was put together for the very highest-volume players to have a super-huge reward. It was obvious that an MTT-only player would have almost no chance of getting to that point and thus the promo was designed with them being not the least bit in mind.
Even if an MTT players tried to play 24 tables at a time it wouldn't matter really because all the $5 MTT's that they would be adding to their mix wouldn't help them get there at all really.

It was for high-volume cash-game and SNG players. Stars already knew those were the players who would have a chance of making it. Scottyy even said before that he wasn't really sure that it would be possible for an NL cash-game player to make it.

But it's clear it is a promo that specifically has in mind that its for something other than MTT players.
This is not to say that it's unfair to MTT'ers at all. It isn't unfair to them.
It is just something that should not be included in the list of things where players supposedly get to 'double-up' on different promotion. Because for MTT'ers it obviously it isn't true. They can get to the first couple of the milestones perhaps. But playing MTT's only it would be nearly impossible to get to Elite. I might even say that if you played every MTT for 10+ hours a day you still wouldn't get there but that's just a guess.

What stars should do is kind of have bonus medals for the cash players.... or like a leader board for the cash players... something where it doesnt matter what limit you play even,just the number of raked hands.
Like if you play:
150,000 raked hands of cash in a month your in the top ranks,
100-150k, 2nd ranks,
50-100k, third,
25-50k bottom ranks

whats this bonus could be would be an extra 1xfpp for that month? or for the next 30 days an extra 1x fpp on cash games only.... something to keep the cash game players going.

Or just simple cash bonuses added to your account based on the level you acheived?

Regarding the $2-million tourney.

Nobody knows if it's just a $16 extra value compared with FPP's even if you're bad enough to be 'average' in that field which a player like 1p0kerboy almost certainly isn't no matter how much he wants to complain that he's borderline close to dead-money in tournaments.

We don't know if that thing is going to get 12k players or not.
If it only gets 8k players for example then it will obviously have an even greater value.

And even if it gets 12k players I'm going to go out on a limb and say that some of those who registered ahead of time or who won their seat via FPP satellites will forget to show up and there will be some REAL dead-money in there anyway,

Regardless, even if it fills up all the way it's still an okay promo because it will generate excitement among the masses thus it's not just your 'everyday' $160 value tourney. It is a better quality $160 value tourney because they're going to promote the crap out of it thus attracting a field that will be a tad worse than your average, everyday $160 value tourney.

And any promo that gives me a half-decent way of burning off my FPP's at an okay rate is cool with me. It's not the hugest overlay in the world IF it actually fills up to 12k players. But it's really not that bad either.

Instead of complaining about the lack of promotions for cash game players, come up ideas on your own.

Cash game promotions that come to mind:

1) Milestone hands - which to me is pretty ******ed. It's totally random. The bonus cash involved relative to stack sizes is big enough to force everyone to just go all in preflop....which sort of ruins how poker should be played. The winner of the 10th billion hand won $100k and has basically never been seen again. The money left the poker community and probably never came back.

2) A raked hands leaderboard - this would just basically let guys that are gunning for SNE to get more $ for playing so much and your avg/typical player gets no benefits.

3) The double VPP promotion is probably more geared towards your cash game players. Unless you play $100+ SNGs or higher, I believe you can get more VPP/hour playing cash games. (Someone probably could run the numbers to figure out which SNG level = which cash games level).

Why are most promotions geared more towards tournament players? It's easier to rank tourney players with their point system. Up to now, it's the best/easiest way to determine who wins a promotion - on the felt.

I'm just kinda sad that it seems like everyone is getting cool new stuff.

New SNG leaderboard
MTT leaderboard
$2mil donkament

Cash games- nothing

I think some kind of cash leaderboard would be sicksick and would get people to play even more hands than the ones they do to chase sne or whatever.

Yeah if there was a cash game leaderboard id never stop playing.

I agree. I personally love the promo and am looking forward to it even if it is only worth $15 in overlay or whatever.

What would be more constructive would be to provide specific ideas.

This promotion gives me a thought of huge improvement to the Supernova VIP freeroll. Make it a monthly instead of a weekly tournament using this 1/3 ITM payout and blind structures with a $250k prize pool. Run it with the $100k monthly that is open to everyone and keep this supernova only with no platinum qualifiers. You can keep the weekly $20k or whatever as it is.

Scotty, thanks for all you do in keeping us informed and taking our ideas to be heard! Stars rocks!

god damn tournements suck. sunday million today made made me aquire a measly 2225 VPPs after playing 8+ hours. And I got taken out by I guy getting 1.5:1 with 54s. Kill me now.

This is all I've been thinking while reading this last page, if anyone can think of a feasible promotion for ring game players only then suggest it to Scotty. Like windbreaker said, a raked hands leaderboard would just be extra benefits to SNE players but not your average cash game player

A few ideas -

Whenever a hand is raked more than .5 Stars could put .05 towards a Bad Beat Jackpot. Different rules for different games as to what qualifies to make it fair.

.01 (or whatever works)/.5 towards a top 10 raked hands bonus at each level.

Here is an idea for a promo for cash game players....I think this will work but it can obviously be altered and I think its a win win for everybody, as stars will definitely make a lot of rake.....

For the month of March if you play more raked hands than you did in your month last year (or last month), you will receive a bonus.

For a bonus how about they give you a double vpp day, however they say it will be from April 1st to 10th but wont tell you which day it is...I think they will get enough extra play that they will make more than enough to cover the promo.....

In fact they could easily just say this week there will be a double vpp day at the cash tables....and everyone wins.....

there's nothing to complain about here. this tourney is the best rate for fpps possible. furthermore, you don't have to enter. it's not like the vip freerolls where you get the entry whether you register or not. don't want to play a donkament? don't enter and save your 10k fpps. for those that would like to play it's a pretty sweet tourney.

1. best fpp rate
2. big dollahs to play for
3. 1/3 odds of cashing
4. amazing structure
5. super soft

have a small fpp multiplier per cash game table open

ie

1 tabling = 1x
2 tabling = 1.1x
3 tabling = 1.2x

obv the numbers would have to be tweaked and maybe not linear but it inreases drive to play more tables, and also wonn't reveal that the person next to you has played 1M hands this month... or even the fact that some people do.

also qft for all the complainers... he has it right

That would be insane... but people would complain who like to 1-2 table. I'm sure SandViper would approve though.

the numbers would obv have to be adjusted, maybe even plateued for 2+ 4+ 8+ 16+ etc. I'm sure there could be some good ground for everyone

I think that would be a pretty silly promotion and I'm not really sure why Stars would want to do that.
I can play 24 tables though so I certainly wouldn't complain.

More realistically/practically I think: They could give a 5% VPP bonus if you hit 50k VPP's in a month and a 10% bonus if you hit 100k in a month. Something like that.

This isn't as great as giving me triple-VPP's if I'm playing 24-tables or anything like that but I also don't expect them to just hand me a million dollars every time I log-in either.

MicroBob how do you play 24 tables i'm playing 15 and i can get up to 18 at a push but things get real hectic then and i start timing out. How is it you play 24 so easy? Are your tables cascade, tile or do you just overlap them? Do you aviod fast tables?

congrats on the SNE
thanks

thanks for the congrats even though I didn't make SNE.

I don't think it's a good idea to publicly discuss the best ways of playing the most tables possible. Sorry.
Some people can do it and other people can't.
However, I will say that I do not find it necessary to avoid the fast tables.

I personally think this idea would be the best, even if it were tweaked around a bit to give you at most a 25% bonus VPP's if your 24 tabling.


1. Players who normally player 6 tables will now play 8-9 or even more. This is along the lines of stars marketing thinking. They like to do promos that not only reward players but encourage more play to offset the cost.

2. This will give your recreational players an actual reason to learn how to play more tables. Whats better than fish trying to multitable ?

3. Overall it helps everyone in the poker economy from the Silverstars all the way up to people going for Elite and that is the key of this promo.

-only problem is that it would make nl a lot more popular and the limit games would suffer.

how do you figure that ?

Limit is already suffering. Most of your casual players play NL and there is nothng we can do about that, they see NL on TV and thats what they want to play. The people who play limit are most older people who have been playing limit for years since it got started. Its very rare to see younger casual players play limit.


You are right that the NL tables will benefit more than the Limit tables, but probobly proportionately ( prolly spelled that wrong )

IF there are 24 1-2 no limit games going and 12 limit 1-2 games going

It will prolly turn into 36 no limit games running and 18 limit games running

oh my mistake i read through this post and saw some talk about going to the pca or monaco with your name involved or something, also saw some guy saying he wanted to pull a MicroBob. so i put 2 and 2 together (no pun intended).

There are enough 20 tabling nits wasting space at the tables as it is.