+1 for the will save FPPs for 100k bonus club. or a 50k bonus, whatever.

a 5,000,000fpp for $100,000 bonus would be amazing. I would even accept having to earn 100,000vpps to clear it. I am planning on bonusing out my fpps pretty soon, but if I had this option I would definitely save until I had 5M fpps.

Just wanted to make sure Scotty, etc. see that there would definitely be support for this type of offer.

Add me to the list of people who love the idea and would save my fpps if such a bonus was created.

It is if you are taking that long to use them.
Even if you spend your FPP's on a gift-card you still need to use that gift-card because if it's just sitting around doing nothing you are still losing the money you COULD be getting on it via interest.

If you actually have enough stuff you can buy with all your points and/or can use all those gift-cards and so forth then it's a great deal.
But if you get Elite that's going to be $50k+ in FPP's a year. It's hard to spend that much on Wal-Mart gift-cards throughout the year. If you don't have any big purchases like a car or house coming up then you have a very good chance of having many points left-over. Saving them up for another year or two hurts you.

I'm not saying to cash it all out right-away to rearn the interest.
Just saying that hording your leftover points...the ones you have AFTER you've realistically spent as much as you can or care to via concierge... just to try to save that 7% sometime down the road isn't really as worthwhile as it might seem.

+1 for the 5 mill for $100K.
also +1 for using concierge for house buying. I hope to do that early 2009.

I would love to save 5 million points for a 100k bonus.

Unfortunately, I am a shi**y player, and have to buy bonuses every week.

I have been thinking about the double vpp promo and doing flips in sngs to earn more points. As an example, assuming you will have 500k vpps at the end of May if you dont do any flips and will make 500k vpps throughout the rest of the year meaning you just hit SNE, the value of paying 50k in rake by doing flips would be the following...

50k in rake = 500k vpps = 1.75 million fpps

1750000 x 1.6c per point = $28000

28000 + 14000 in milestone bonuses = $42000 ... -$8000 so far but then we get the new SNE rate for fpps for the 500k vpps that we will make for the rest of the year, so...

1.5 extra fpps per vpp x 500k = 750k extra fpps

750000 x 1.6c per point = $12000 extra

12000 + 6000 extra in milestone bonuses (20k instead of 14k) = $18000 extra

$18000 - $8000 loss from doing the flips in the first place = $10k profit


Now I assume I have something wrong somewhere in my calculations otherwise everyone would have been doing this last year so what have I overlooked? And would there be a situation where it would be +ev to just pay stars rake to get extra vpps and fpps?

MicroBob?

If there were a 50 or 100k bonus at a better rate I would definitely save up my fpps. As well Im probably buying a cottage next year and would love if we could use the points towards that....

Scotty I know you mentioned nothing has been decided for 2009, but could you let us know if there is a realistic shot of those changes happening, so we can choose to save up the points. Otherwise many of us would just be taking tons of 1500 bonuses.

As well has there been word about possible changes to the freerolls for 2008 (or any other changes to the vip program )or has mum been the word?

Scottyy, listen to this please. It would be GREATLY accepted.

This has been discussed.

It was discovered earlier that you could make more than 100% rakeback if you played SnGs while being a Supernova Elite during a double VPP promo.

Your calcs are good, except the 1.6c rate, i guess you are rounding. Its either 1.6129c for concierge or its 1.5c for straight cash.

Plus if you f-up and get in a $5000 Sng against somone other than your buddy, gl to you. You can be damn sure the Top High Stakes SnG players will be on the tables ALOT during double VPP week, probably looking for people trying to exploit this, (like you), and to play someone else other then the normal 10 guys or whatever it is.

stevie - can't figure out all your math right now but it looks like you are mostly on the right track.
Looking at it as 'being in your 2nd half of the 1 million VPP's is just a trick to play on yourself to make you feel better about it overall though.

If you want to look at it as getting 40% RB for your first 500k and then 70% for your 2nd 500k to get to your 55% total then you can do that.
And then you would take the 2nd 500k and do it during the double VPP's or something so that you are, in a way, earning 140% during that stretch or something.

Or you can just look at it as getting 55% on the year as a whole which I think is more accurate...and that durin g the double VPP's promo you are getting 110%. And it doesn't matter whether it's at the beginning of your 1 million VPP's or at the end because when all is said and done you have to get 1 million anyway to get that percentage. So it really doesn't matter what order you do it in...either get your double VPP's first during a stretch when you are essentially earning less...or get your double VPP's second after you grinded out your first 500k VPP's without getting double.


You get about 11c per VPP if you get Elite.
This is 5.6c in FPP's and about 5.4c in milestone stuff...because you will get roughly $54k or so for 1 million points depending on which tourney packages you choose.

5 VPP's per $1 at SNG's...each VPP being worth 11c... means you get 55c per $1 for 55% RB.
This is what any SNG player who makes Elite will get. But that assumes they stop exactly at 1-million.
1.1 million earns a little bit less. 1.25 million earns a little bit more because you made the next milestone.


Anyway, high-stakes flipamenting during double VPP's would indeed be earning over 100% IF you go all the way and make Elite by the end.
high-stakes flipamenters would not be the only ones earning over 100% during double-VPP's FWIW.
Some stakes actually earn better than the SNG's already so doubling that would push them even further past 100% of course.

lots - That's a good point. If I were a high-stakes SNG'er like Dario or somebody I would just sit and try to jump onto a table at exactly the right time to face one of these flipmenters.
Anyone who tries to do this with their buddy almost certainly will not be able to time it so well EVERY time that they are able to sit at the same table together once all the sharks come out to try to take them on too.

You would be spending all this time trying to register for 1 heads-up tourney after another and HOPING that your buddy is able to get into them at the same time.
And spending 10 straight days of doing nothing but registering, waiting the mandatory 1 minute, flipping, and registering again over and over and over sounds pretty miserable to me even IF you are somehow able to dodge the sharks that whole stretch which seems unlikely.


Keep in mind that you are essentially trying to pay $500k in rake to earn $550k or more total I guess. So lets say you net $50k or a little more by the end of it all.
This is $5k/day over the 10 day period IF Stars does it for 10 days again which is just a guess.
So once just ONE player sits in that one $5k tourney instead and busts you out then BOOM...there goes your profit for the day. Obviously even against Dario or somebody the fishiest of the fish isn't going to be 100% to lose a HU SNG. But you get the point. This is a pretty fragile plan and I don't recommend it.
And I also don't think Stars has much to worry about with this but anything is possible.

I can actually hold my own in hu sngs so it wouldnt be tooo much of a problem. In fact if a lot of people are doing this I may try and jump in with them but like 95% of the time no 5ks run so I doubt you wouldnt be able to find a single time when nobody was playing if you really wanted to do it.

Its not like I would be doing it round the clock anyway, I was just wondering if it would be worth it to just run flips with someone when you are not doing anything else. Anyway, thanks for the responses and gl getting to sne! Im at 148k

5 mil vpps for $100 000 would be friggin AWESOME!!! That would easilymake me go for 5 mil vpps this year!!!!! And I really need the motivation!

Yes, if you email VIPclub@pokerstars.com, you should be able to request for them to purchase whatever GC's you want and have them shipped to you.

We can offer NewEgg up to $1,000.

Scotty

There are some that they will not buy for you but I believe if you really want that one that they will usually reimburse you via concierge if you go out and buy it yourself.
Something like that anyway.

NewEgg is something they will buy for you.
Dell is something you have to get on your own.

Pretty insane to think stars would offer this 5millionfpp/$100k (2c/FPP) offer to everyone. Maybe they should make it a condition for if you hit 1.5millVPP or even 2millVpp in a year, then you get access to this exclusive rate.

Don't forget the $2 Million Turbo Takedown at 14:30 ET today! 10,000 FPP Buy-in

Scotty

1. it would probably have to be a "supernova elite only" option. Which I don't think anyone would object to.

2. All of our fpp's would be sitting with them for over a year, the amount of interest they earn on that money would come close to making up for the difference. It's not like we'd be getting over 100% rakeback if they did this. Stars would still be making money too. It's just a really awesome way to give a little extra back to their very best customers.

Question for the experts: Is my plan to make SNE realistic?

I am working FT, but my project may end soon, and I am kicking around going for SNE at low limit mostly.

I have played 34,619 hands this year, earning 12,173 VPPs, or .3516/hand. I figure if I played 2.9 million hands, that would yield slightly over the magic million. So I'd need just under 2.9 million hands between now and the end of the year, or an average of 9,364 hands/day. I figure that could be done (with very few days off to be sure) in 10 hours a day.

Does this make sense?

Take off the rose colored glasses. After just a few months, maybe just after a few weeks or days you will be burned out. 10 hours of poker everyday for the rest of the year is unrealistic. Of course it is possible but I don't think you are being realistic. Your estimation doesn't even account for days you don't play which, no matter how hard you try to play EVERY day, there will be days when you absolutely can't or absolutely don't want to.

Yeah, are you accounting for any days off?

And, like ncboiler said, you WILL get burned out, especially trying to play that much. I'd say it's a very longshot for you to make it.

If you moved up in stakes, and went crazy during the double VPP promo, you might have a slight chance.

Please stop hijacking the SuperNova Elite thread. (Kidding of course)

I don't think everybody should be too upset about this becoming the Stars LC thread.

A couple of notes regarding the 2MTT: It appears that PokerStars is going to fall below it's expected number of entrants (12,000). This is likely due to the server problems they had this week (I'm actually not certain that the 2MTT satellites were affected by this, but I do know that SNGs were knocked out several times this past week and MTTs were knocked out at least once). Right now there are about 7800 registered.

I've changed my position in regards to liking this promotion after considering the indirect effects that it will have on the games as a whole as some of you have pointed out. A lot of players who might be short on a poker bankroll are going to have fpps converted to cash after this event and many of them will be donating at the cash games. So even though Stars is likely adding a bunch of money to the prizepool, they'll likely see that money come right back to them (plus some) as a result of this promotion. I think everybody wins here.

This would be nice and they will give a lot players additional incentive to chase SNE. With the interest and the additional play, PS will come out nicely.