Used to be marked as safe and now all of a sudden it says it found two Drive By Downloads (viruses) on fulltiltpoker.com. What's the deal with that? Also, I thought the site used to be based in Aruba or somewhere in the Caribbean and now it says the site is based in Ireland. Anybody have a clue what's going on???

I'd guess that Norton's latest virus update is giving off false positives, but it's good to find out for sure.

Also, don't use bloatware like Norton IMO.

Bobo,

You are showing your norton hate from a few years ago. Norton's new offerings starting with NAV/NIS 2010 are the lightest AV on the market and one of the best.


Karma

Good to know; it's about time they fixed things.

I was always a Norton user, but it was actually 2+2ers who converted me.

What do you use now?

Avira ftw

Avast, better reviews than Avira.

However, wouldn't these be showing up on the Norton site itself?

Avira.

That probably depends on how recently this has come up, doesn't it?

Norton lost an enormous amount of credibility over the years selling bloated rubbish.

It will take them a while to get over that.

Anyway, unless you spend your day visiting porn sites or downloading programs from unknown sites (and probably if you do) Avira free is fine,

Norton it is then, I guess.

Here's a great anti-virus solution:

I was impressed with NIS 2009. Such a huge improvement over past versions. However, they have permanently lost all my business. If you use Norton and get that 30 day warning about the subscription, it now disables the ENTIRE program. In the past it would just disable updates, but the firewall and AV would still work.

Yeah, I know, not having an updated AV is somewhat like not having an AV, but not having updates for a couple of days is not going to compromise my computer since I don't do risky things anyway. Instead, 2am in the middle of a poker session, my computer pops up and says I'm unprotected - no firewall. Norton shuts completely down.

Sure, I could have caved and paid the inflated subscription price online, but I figure that's what they want. Walmart happens to be open at 2am and there was a decent selection.

Do you mean that if you ignore the 30 day warning the software will shut down when the 30 days is up - which is bad enough?

Or are you saying it shuts down there and then - which is absurd?

use ESET antivirus...just sayin

No. Sorry for being unclear. Yes, after the 30 days is up it shuts down.

I know I'll get flamed for it, since, after all, they give you 30 days to renew, but leaving you completely unprotected is ridiculous, imo. How many people would use Photoshop or Word if they disabled the entire software after a year?

Of course the Norton spin is that they care so much about your security they force you to keep yourself up to date. I suppose that's true - I bought a new security suite at 2am rather than renewing their subscription online a few days later like had in the past.

I didn't mind overpaying for the convenience for a new sub online, but when they left me no choice at 2am, FU Norton.

So what should they do? just carry on protecting people who are no longer subscribing?

Yes, pretty sh|tty behaviour, particularly if they didn't give you further warnings about what was going to happen nearer the time.

And there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't have given you a couple of days to sort things out (other than that they were trying to bounce you into buying from them).

Very tacky behaviour on Norton's part.

I hope you write them a polite email explaining why they have lost you as a customer. A lot of people will have worked very hard to produce that software and it's a pity if all their work is negated by some scumbag sales nerd trying to pressure people into buying.

has anyone that isn't completely clueless actually used norton this century?

So for 18 years the product had been in use, it wasn't a subscription - it was a security suite with free product updates for a year. After that, you needed to pay for further product updates, or assume the risk from new threats. Now they just change all your stealth ports to OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

I'm just asking what they should do according to you. They gave you 30 days notice that you ignored. Should they give you another 30 days? and then what if you ignore those 30 days? another 30 days and so on?

Norton is like Windows everyone will say how bad it is etc., noone in the know will use anything but the 2 together.

Norton latest package is the best on the market for private use and sorry to say Avira is a joke compared to it.

BTW windows, Linux comparison is good for security packages as well, Linux is only free if your time is worthless
And I used both Linux and free security packages a lot when doing testing back in the days, not together obviously.

As for full tilt they trojan you.

You seem to be completely missing the point.

They deliberately acted in a way that would put undue pressure on the customer to purchase an update.

They could have given a clear warning two days before the product expired telling him that he would be unprotected from nn:mm hours on the expiry date so that he had a chance to decide what he wanted to do.

Instead they suddenly sprung up a window saying that he was unprotected from that very moment. Clearly they are hoping that people will be so frightened at the thought that they're unprotected that they will immediately pay for the update.

That's a pretty scumbag way to behave and I hope they lose a great deal of custom because of it. Similarly, the concept of turning off all protection rather than just not supplying further updates is a new and unwelcome development which, again, I hope loses them a lot of custom.

Norton have such a bad name at the moment because of the years they've spent supplying bloated and resource sapping software that the last thing they need is yet more bad publicity garnered from unsavoury business practices.

They could do what they used to do - no more AV updates after the 30 days was up, but the program still functioned.

It never stated the software would be disabled. At the very least it could have completely disabled and when the user clicks on Norton to see why the program if off, then give a very clear warning that it will be turned off permanently in 24 hours or something.

Are you seriously suggesting that 'anyone in the know' will use Norton.

That's complete and utter b/s and makes me wonder if you work for them.

It's the nature of computer security software that the 'best of breed' changes on a pretty much daily basis depending on who's doing the testing and what suite of test malware they are using.

Norton has made a vast number of enemies over the years with its ridiculously bloated software that caused so many problems for so many people (particularly with conflicts with other software/drivers/etc) that now, few 'in the know' would risk using it.

They need to be at the top of their game for a few years to get back into the industry's good books and stunts like the one documented in this thread will only harden attitudes against them.