Does anyone think that Pstars should introduce a weekly cash leaderboard for the 4 levels...much like the sng's? This i feel would retain the high volume players as its very likely that one of us will win it each week. This will also encourage most players to play more.

Remove the crappy freerolls and add to base VPP earn rate.

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we already get more in terms of rakeback, which is why I assume they gave sngers the BoP

I'd agree for now..but next year I'm not so sure. I think this would retain a lot of regs....Also if Pstars was smart they'd double all nova/elites vpps in the month of January as this would trap players into playing all year.

Where do i sign. Best idea to date. Just do this Stars and a lot of people are going to be real real happy.

OP has a good plan imo

I think you would be lucky as hell to get 6vpp, getting 6.5 is total dreaming.

I mean I would like it, but i don't see it happening sadly.

Instead of $50 worth of freeroll equity give the players 3125 FPP and I think they'd all be just as happy.

From what i heard 6x is what its going to be...at least for FR limit. Why shouldn't we collectively push the site for more....

We get 5 now for every dollar of contributed rake, some cash guys get less (HU esp, no?) and others (full ring nits) get more.

I know, stars doesnt rake contributed but by dealt, but however it works out there is no reason to say cash players deserve more rakeback than tourney players (edit, and visa versa). The exchange rate on a dollar to a dollar is 1:1.

If they set the bar at 5 or at 6 or 6.5, i dont mind a great deal though would prefer higher of course. The fact remains the system should reward everyone as equally as possible. Fwiw i believe scrapping freeroll mtts totally falls into that category given lots of cash players would rather get dental surgery than play a freeroll mtt.

Tourney players have the leaderboard thingee's which already gives them a head-start on value in some ways. If you gave them all the same amount of points then tourney players would make out better than cash-game players.


If they set the bar at 5 for everyone then this would be a pretty significant cut for many players. That's why Stars retreated from that idea pretty quickly after it was presented and many players stated their displeasure and the possibility they would leave the site entirely if it was implemented that way.

So while you might not care if it's 5x across the board it's already obvious from previous discussions that many people do. And Stars really doesn't want to be losing customers over this of course.

Stars has the best everything except VIP system which is why i dont play there so im all for change

youcheck - You are pretty much saying nothing. Why do you think it's not the best? Are you playing lower stakes and/or lowish/medium volume where you aren't getting very high rakeback there? What is the VIP program on Stars worth to you compared with what you are getting elsewhere.

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I wouldn't mind the freerolls if they weren't at like noon on saturday! It's such an awful time I never get to play them - sorry stars I have a life.

Yeah If they are going to have them run them on Sunday.
I personally like them they give me a reason to stay home and play poker. Instead of being dragged all over the god damn city.
That said i don't really care if they abolish them and give me something different.

Also as i said before in a different thread. Stars should leave the VPP rates the same as always for games that earn a fair amount of VPP's per hand or per $. And just incorporate partial VPP's for the ones that don't.
Damn they could give out 3x or even 2x to the lower limits and they will be better off then they were 6 months ago.

I think this is a good idea and your best one p0kerboy. That said, like everything, stars just needs to make up their mind whatever it is and announce it. I fall into the borderline SN . . . probably max 200k but that would be a stretch . . . so this set-up as you state has a lot of value to someone like me. Unclear if it is worth getting SN depending what changes are made.

NL25 6max 6-8 tables about 8 hours a week, rakeback>stars VIP + it takes a long time to earn enough fpp's to unlock the reward, whereas rakeback is weekly

youcheck - Yeah, your RB% on Stars really sucks. Not exactly the same as saying the whole VIP program sucks though. Obviously it's kind of nice for the high volume types who get 50%+ or something but I get your frustration.

I'm not sure why Stars is so reluctant to increase the value for a player like you. They have their reasons such as giving RB to everyone on their site (FT does not) and giving really good value to the highest volume players. Not to mention that they already have a lot of players at those stakes who evidently haven't left even with the lousy RB deal they get.

But it's clear to me they should change it and that it would be better for everyone including players at higher stakes in the long run (except for Stars' bottom line perhaps but that's debatable).

I find it hard to believe that Stars is satisfied about the high number of players like you who would love to play on Stars if they could even remotely justify it. But when the deal you can get on pretty much EVERY other site is vastly superior to what Stars gives you it's kind of hard to go to Stars when it makes you feel like a sucker who is getting way less value.

Ok you mentioned this in another thread. Where officially have you heard this?

Good god AGREED

Skip the freerolls,add more vvps plz.I never play a freeroll,saturday is not a day for poker.

so how would this affect limits like 0.5/1 - 2/4 FR limit?

also +1 in terms of vip freerolls being of no value to me. never played one, probably never will due to timezoneaments.

Yeah I agree with OP despite running like god in the freerolls and having made 3 final tables including one win from probably < 20 attempts.

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