Brendo_8 just chip dumped $140,000 to Callum Ford on Ongame at the 50-100 NL tables...I tried to tell Hollywood Poker's support to get those accounts frozen so there would be no time to dump that money elsewhere, but they didn't seem to care. With all of the account hacking and fraud going on these days I figured they'd make some sort of effort. The only other thing I could think of was to post here and hope maybe someone could do someting about it, hopefully it was already caught by their controls. Did anyone else see that?

I'll get right on it.

might get better responses in "internet gambling" forum.

There's some sort of "Ongame Ombudsman" who started posting here a month ago who seemed to care (a little).

Look him up and contact him.

(Hollywood Poker support is pathetic - you'll get nowhere with them.)

p.s i play ongame highstakes NL and have never seen either of those players. sounds fishy.

screenshot/HH?

p.s. ongame support is so brutal

how does this affect you and why is this a problem to anyone but ongame if he didnt play with the huge stack?

You've got to be kidding? This is a huge deal. Are you condoning people defrauding poker rooms? The more people steal the worse the promotions are, the more innocent people get their accounts locked and the more likely a room is to raise the rake to cover large amounts of money stolen.

I was asking a question and you answered it for me. How are these people stealing money from ongame though if one person is dumping to the other?

I also don't condone people "defrauding" pokerrooms, but if they are not cheating anyone, than I couldnt care less.

WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO DUMP 140K GENIUS? LEGITIMATE BUSINESS YOU THINK?

QFT. Yes, it seems cool to have the laid back attitude and the "stop snitching" pic, but where the [censored] do you think that $130,000 is going to come from if the site gets screwed because of CC fraud, money laundering, etc? Also, everyone always bitches when the sites ask for a bunch of ID when cashing out - the more fraud that happens, the more sites are going to be asking for this stuff.

It would be one thing if it was 2 buddies trying to dump $50 to one another so they can play micros (still against T&C's, but no reason for us to get worked up), but $130,000?? Stop snitching??? LOL!

Finally, how much in favor of "stop snitching" will you be if your account is hacked, dumped to someone else, and cashed out?

How do you know they aren't cheating anyone? Any chance the account being dumped from has been hacked? Seems like one of the most likely scenarios to me. I find it hard to envision any "legitimate" reason for the dump...anyone who has $130,000 online should know enough not to try to "transfer" to someone else by chip dumping.

I didn't say they aren't cheating anyone, I said IF they aren't cheating anyone than I couldn't care less. I obviously don't condone people's accounts getting hacked and their money stolen. But to be honest, like I said earlier, I could care less if people are stealing from Ongame, especially Pokerroom, even though I still don't understand how this is stealing from Ongame.

If the guy did hack someone's account and is stealing his cash, then he should burn in hell. If they are laundering, then its non of my business.

EDIT: has a site ever upped its rake to cover money fraud, stolen cc's etc?? serious question, I obviously don't know much about this.

obviously the rake covers expenses, and fraud is an expense of doing business.

What is your name teddyfbi?? Maybe I'd recognize you!

and you're dumb

Fraud is massive expense for poker rooms and in some occasions fraud can bust poker rooms. Any time rake goes up assume fraud has gone up too as it is one of the top expenses a poker room has. This is why some poker roms seem overly paranoid.

OP: what table did this occur at. Was it one of the tables with a name, or was it a private table that can be created by any player?

And plz describe dumping. Was it one player raising everything except $1, and the other one folding?

Not that I've heard of; I have to admit on second thought that a direct link may be a bit of a red herring...although I'm sure less bonus could be a possibility if fraud like this was rampant.

The bigger issue really is other players being ripped off, which is the main reason I think it is incumbent on players to report chip dumping like this.

It was a private 50-100 table for two people. The dumper would raise to 9900 and fold to the all in of the other one. The receiver left with 150K in probably 5 minutes.

Teddy I'm curious who you are, I sweat lots of HS games but didn't know any were 2+2 posters! GL

Yeah I also saw this. I thought momentarily about contacting someone but I couldn't think who, there are just too many skins.

It was a private table and one guy would raise to $9900 and fold to a raise, then reload.

If it gets established that online poker rooms are routinely tolerating large-scale money laundering then there will be no more online poker.

"If you build it they will come" applies very strongly to money laundering conduits. Give organized crime and organized terrorism a good way to move large amounts of money and they will exploit it every time.

It's fashionable to think that the U.S. government is making a serious effort to attack online gambling but really they aren't. That will change very quickly if online poker is perceived as a true threat to national security. Washington will become deadly serious about money transfers and the poker sites will become so radioactive no one will do business with them.

Thank you for the serious replies to my ignorance and for not just calling me ignorant and flaming me. I never looked at the bigger picture.

All I saw it as were two people transferring money to each other because the only way to do it on Ongame is in the form of $100 gift vouchers. I now understand why I got the replies I did after I made my 1st post, and why it is wrong.

You guys really are a bunch of paranoid clowns. When is the last time OnGame raised its rake? When is the last time a chip dumping scam put a poker room out of business? Seriously, stop snitching. This chip dumping episode is going to have no bearing on your bottom line. Besides which, there are dozens of reasons to chip dump that aren't detrimental to a poker network.