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04-08-2013 , 05:01 AM
Need some help. Im strongly considering sue'in Juicy Stakes Poker for not paying me out my balance in a timely fashion for a long long time(maybe hittem with class action with the other Americans if theirs interest).the amt is worth my while to go after. Since i never sued anyone before i need some direction.

1.Were do i look for a lawyer? at their address(Curacao) or should find a lawyer locally in America and let him connect the dots?

2.Should i sue the whole network Cake/Lock/Revolution since they control the payouts or just juicy stakes poker or both?

3.Any other important information that i need would be helpful.

Thanks

Bonus Question: Is their anyway i can find current legal owners or ceo(or paper owners) of Juicy/Cake/Revolution
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04-08-2013 , 05:51 AM
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/195/lock-poker/

What do I win?
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04-08-2013 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
Revolution has a "separate" managing team or possible majority owners. i would love to see the list of these board members
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04-08-2013 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TicKinTiMeBomB
3.Any other important information that i need would be helpful.
You smoke too much weed?
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04-08-2013 , 09:36 AM
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You smoke too much weed?
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04-08-2013 , 03:44 PM
comon guys this isnt NVG or bbv. This is srs issue ,if your dont have a post worth vaule dont bother. Just curious if any lawyers out their have first have experience for the process for suing overseas business.
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04-08-2013 , 03:46 PM
Are you out of your mind? That's like sueing a drug dealer who won't give you your crack.
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04-08-2013 , 03:56 PM
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Are you out of your mind? That's like sueing a drug dealer who won't give you your crack.
I agree that he will almost certainly not win in judgement, but I would like to see someone take it all the way to court to see our "opinions" on sueing get an actually result (granted a likely unfavorable one).

For all we know we might get some info about the Board of directors specifically who they are.

Gl OP.
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04-08-2013 , 05:12 PM
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Are you out of your mind? That's like sueing a drug dealer who won't give you your crack.
thats not true actually doin a quick google search http://www.modelddla.com/ and also this is completely different.
it is LEGAL(no rule on the books federally or in my state that prohibits it from a players perspective) to play online poker in every state except washington state. What were the lawsuits v FTP then?did the people who outed them self's in the lawsuit get charged with a crime for playing online poker? I mean surly if they confessed to committing a crime their would be a follow up.These are corporations in a country that says its ok to run that business and im pretty sure stealing from people is not legal in that country. Now having the country prosecute them or enforcing a collection is another matter, but the fact is they cant set up a legitimate quasi "regulated" business then Withhold/Steal people fund with no criminal or legal recourse at least possible. They don't have a license to steal man

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04-08-2013 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TicKinTiMeBomB
Need some help. Im strongly considering sue'in Juicy Stakes Poker for not paying me out my balance in a timely fashion for a long long time(maybe hittem with class action with the other Americans if theirs interest).the amt is worth my while to go after. Since i never sued anyone before i need some direction.

1.Were do i look for a lawyer? at their address(Curacao) or should find a lawyer locally in America and let him connect the dots?

2.Should i sue the whole network Cake/Lock/Revolution since they control the payouts or just juicy stakes poker or both?

3.Any other important information that i need would be helpful.

Thanks

Bonus Question: Is their anyway i can find current legal owners or ceo(or paper owners) of Juicy/Cake/Revolution
Pretty tough questions. And the best place to start is from a realistic view of what you are asking.

Whether you go with an attorney in the home country of the company or look for a resolution in the US courts, this will probably be an expensive endeavour. With all the unknowns I can't see a US lawyer taking the case on contingency or pro bono. You are probably looking at a $25K+ retainer and around $400 (at least) an hour not including expenses. That 25K will go fast. Would it still be worth it to you?

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04-08-2013 , 05:57 PM
what they owe me is >25k
also here is a funny case i stumble appond http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtLFUFM7xPY for drug dealer robbery counter suit. only reason she seems to have dismissed the 800 counter was because he had no evidence and a criminal court found the other guy not guilty of robbery.Also because to her it seemed like the guy just didn't like the drugs and wanted a refund and made the robbery up.
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04-08-2013 , 06:19 PM
Since you still don't seem to get it .... whereas the playing of online poker is not illegal except in Washington State, the money processing definitely is as per US law. Do you mind to explain how you funded the account to begin with as that will most likely also come up in the lawsuit?

And if you want to sue them outside of the US ... good luck with that, after all it is your money.

One last thought: Why don't you sue the DOJ / United States for making the processing so difficult for the poker sites? Now that would be quite interesting to follow.

Last edited by 39suited; 04-08-2013 at 06:26 PM.
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04-08-2013 , 06:31 PM
Become ROW for Skrill payouts.
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04-09-2013 , 01:59 AM
have done the row skrill switch but they r slow motion atm(thanks for attempting to help tho). they been getting slower and slower. last time waited 31 days just to have it "cancelled in error" by system. they were suppose to go thru but cancelled by accident according to them. ok np ill just resubmit and it should go thru quick right. nope been waiting like 2 weeks since then.
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04-09-2013 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 39suited
Since you still don't seem to get it .... whereas the playing of online poker is not illegal except in Washington State, the money processing definitely is as per US law. Do you mind to explain how you funded the account to begin with as that will most likely also come up in the lawsuit?

And if you want to sue them outside of the US ... good luck with that, after all it is your money.

One last thought: Why don't you sue the DOJ / United States for making the processing so difficult for the poker sites? Now that would be quite interesting to follow.
The processing is illegal because they have to lie to banks to cut checks to people(thanks to uiega now). That was already a law called bank fraud. me as a depositor on a gambling site i doubt has any criminal charges i could face. And whos to say i ever broke a law i could have bought funds before uiega was passed or bought funds from another player if that matters. I strongly disagree that me as depositor could be committing any major offence if any

Last edited by TicKinTiMeBomB; 04-09-2013 at 02:23 AM.
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04-09-2013 , 03:23 AM
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Become ROW for Skrill payouts.
Why use Skrill and pay absurd fees and wire charges when echecks has no fee?
From what I remember Netteller was way better as well, but things could have changed with them.
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04-09-2013 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TicKinTiMeBomB
The processing is illegal because they have to lie to banks to cut checks to people(thanks to uiega now). That was already a law called bank fraud. me as a depositor on a gambling site i doubt has any criminal charges i could face. And whos to say i ever broke a law i could have bought funds before uiega was passed or bought funds from another player if that matters. I strongly disagree that me as depositor could be committing any major offence if any
Just for the record Tick, when I goofed on you a little earlier, I wasnt implying you are doing anything illegal.

Im not sure why others are implying its illegal for you to deposit money to play online poker. UIGEA and its processing language clearly applies to sites accepting wagers and not players in any way.

I was more on the tip of what jurisdiction and court is going to hear this case and be able to enforce any ruling in your favor should you ever get that far.

Although you obviously have a righteous claim if you dont get your money, getting that money through the legal system in practicality seems far fetched.

Good luck though.
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04-09-2013 , 04:25 AM
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Why use Skrill and pay absurd fees and wire charges when echecks has no fee?
From what I remember Netteller was way better as well, but things could have changed with them.
skrill fee's on their end is cheaper than neteller.Bank wire fee's are controlled by the intermediary banks but prolly around 30-50 tops for euro bank to canadian.if you do 10k clips not that bad only .3%. also neteller doesnt serve canada
they have electronic checks straight to Canadian bank accounts? i either didnt see them or that isnt correct. i seen you could request a regualr paper check but the max is much less(3k to 10k) that skrill and prolly ruffly around the same

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