got aprox 34% RB for february; had a 60% deal.

goodbye ipoker

poor guy's only getting 43 and 34% rb

not worth to suffer this software and poor game liquidity; 60% was the only reason to be there.
it would be interesting to see how much will they traffic sink after this.

+ the low traffic, i was at betfair as well and their bank job promo took a hit compared to februarys one, good bye ipoker as well.

If the entire poker community was as selective about getting the best deal, I think promotions would be a lot better. I just wonder how some of the more recreational players are in terms of site selection?

I probably fall into the category of 'more recreational' and am ridiculously picky. I'm not going to deal with an affiliate who doesn't respect my fishiness and expresses the entire deal in terms of WC rake. I prefer deals that are predominantly RPV-based* (with higher nominal return %-ages, of course) under the new circumstances so far.** I estimate my RPV at 0.7-0.8 of WC rake because I'm really, really terrible at poker I didn't play on iPoker in February, so can't provide data yet.

* Real Player Value = 0.5 * traditional rake + 0.5 * SBR. Unfortunately for me, I know no affiliate who's offering an RPV-based rake race - they're all WC-based starting this month.

** This stance may change if I get enough evidence of skins offering reloads / point boosts that are based on SBR.

I've got my hands on the following Winner Poker newsletter screenshot:



I don't know the nature of Winner weekly point boosts as I haven't played at that skin, but I really suspect that they're implicitly based on SBR, i.e. are essentially extra 'surprise' cashback on poker losses. As skins are now free to offer any player incentives, I can believe in that happening. (Testimonials by Winner Poker VIP program (non-rakeback) players would be nice, though I suspect there aren't many of them here, haha.)

Players who consistently win pre-RB, though, shouldn't count on more than 50% WC RB on iPoker because that's what the skin gets for their play. They'll be allowed to get a bit more only in case they serve as leaders in rake races, i.e. entice other grinders (preferably slight pre-RB losers, who do generate SBR) to play more and generate more RPV to overtake the leaders. I still envy them as they still get more money post-RB than bad players like me; it's just that the difference between our post-RB earnings has shrunk and there's less motivation to improve as a player.

bank job at betfair got from 20% to 10%, which is a joke!

I think this is a cheat from ipoker.
They state that this will help stay losing players in the pool for a longer period of time.
However I have losing ipoker account and I got no more than my usual rake since SBR.
Winning players got half of their true rake as SBR rake most of the time.
I got nothing extra(according to hm2, ipoints-which shows the true rake at coral,mybet).

Fish wont stay longer because they dont get more rake.
So ipoker seems to steal the difference.

I would like to get information here from other losing accounts whether they got more rake or not.

You are not getting more rake attributed as a player, it's just a system to attribute rake among different skins and affiliates.

Afaik most of the flat deals and VIP systems are calculated on wcr, it's up to the skins to offer promotion geared towards net depositors losing players.

In the hindsight it looks more of a way to eliminate affilliate private deals.

Ok so I'm calling BS on this new rake system
Created a new account on an iPoker skin with a 70% flat RB deal, Had a bad losing run over a 10K sample and deposited 3 times.

The actual rakeback I received was 40%

Now considering the ridiculous amount of rake at the micros you pay on ipoker, a 70% deal is now worse than playing on stars with the very basic FPP conversion rate!

The traffic on Ipoker has gotten significantly worse. How long before they revert back to the old rakeback system in a last ditch effort to save their network? Seriously, the poker traffic is horrendous now.

Has this new rake system ended the two tier system or as some sites still having their cash games segregated from the rest of the network?

Ya the games have changed a lot. Way less games and seems that people change accounts every day.

I have a rakeback deal on ipoker (65% rb) - old rake is 224$ new rake is 114$ and my rb recieved is 53$. I don't understand the new system at all since I thought it would reward losing players more (I'm down a few buy-ins over a small sample). Well, I guess its just a moneygrab.

Anyway, because of this I'm pretty much done with Ipoker before I have even startet (also twister games have a horrible structure with antes and blinds moving up every 90 seconds plus it won't let me register half of the time)

It works a bit tricky specifically for Twister, which it treats as a €0.67+0.07 (in the example of the €1 total BI) non-jackpot SnG (with the deterministic prize of €2.01) regardless of the multiplier, ignoring the jackpot component (€0.26) of the BI. So if you, say, play seventeen €1 Twisters and win seven of them, which all happen to be x2, then the SBR system treats you as if you have won 7*€2.01 - 17*€0.74 = +€1.49 net, even though in reality you've lost €3 because of mutliplier misluck.

Blinds go up exactly every two minutes. When you get the message 'The tournament registration period has ended', just ignore it and click 'Register' once more... it's a cute harmless iPoker bug (There are some periods when people can't register to any tourneys, not only Twister, but they're quite rare and last for 15-ish minutes, not for hours.)

I agree that the second blind level should be a bit lower, like 10/20 with antes of 5, because the jump from 30 to 60 in the size of the preflop pot is too steep, essentially one level gets skipped in comparison with FTP/Stars. The antes are an interesting idea in general, though - they loosen the play up significantly (even speaking of 15/30 with antes of 5 as opposed to 20/40 without antes).

I used to have 65% rb deal and today I got this e-mail:

"We are contacting you to inform you about a change to your bonus plan at William Hill Poker.

As of June 1st, William Hill Poker will be offering you our unified bonus plan called “Players Club”.
You are invited to enjoy all the bonuses, promotions and exclusive offers available. This is part of a new drive to make William Hill Poker a much more recreational environment for all our players.

You can find all the relevant information on the website for the Players Club and Exclusive Promotions.

This will replace your existing poker bonus payment plan effective for June’s activity and future play. Should you have any questions about the new offering please contact Customer Support. "

How does that "players club" work and is it impossible to have "under the desk"- deals at William Hill anymore as someone did already offer me one via PM when I pasted this to another thread.