The only people hiding are you guys. I'm guessing by the time this is over there will be a lot of people who would love to meet you in person.

hey dave, may u just do your work what was told to you but
a pokerroom is something like a bank to me, would u ever bring money to your bank if they dont provide u the real adress, i guess not!
It took me 5 mins to get the adresses of the biggest pokerrooms!
If a company hides the adress hm what should people think...
I try to stay objective on this topic but u make it hard for me.

this is what Dimensus Limited(company who owns pitbull poker) address looks like in the uk not sure if its helpful whatsoever. Im currently searching for their address in costa rica and im normally good at finding the info so will post when i do.

Can you explain to us why a poker site does not provide easy access to hand historys for their customers?

Can you explain to us why a poker site spams email accounts, when the recipient does not have an account with Pitbull Poker? (Spamming is illegal where I live, just as a sidenote).

Dave,

assuming your games are legit, some horrible decisions were made by PBP in this matter. This whole witch-hunt going on right now is mainly fueled by your refusal/inability to provide HHs.

Some players question PBPs integrity and want to analyze their own hands. This is ridiculously standard at any given site, and nobody would even care.

In fact, if the players had their HHs all along and actually found something fishy, it would be very hard for them to get any attention. Just about everyone here is strongly biased against believing "site-abc is rigged"-type posts. It will take very strong evidence to convince people otherwise.

The main reason why this thing is getting so much attention is that PBP still fails to provide the HHs. This is a very simple request. It should be PBPs #1 priority to clean this mess up asap to protect their business. But nothing happens.

This leaves us with 2 options:
1) PBPs games may be legit, but their IT blows so bad that they are simply unable to provide some simple HHs, even with their player base at stake. I doubt anyone would want to play on a site like this.

2) The games are actually rigged and PBP is trying to cover up. Either by modifying/cleaning the HHs before releasing them, or by simply not releasing them at all.

Dave, if you actually believe in your games integrity you have to wonder yourself why you still don't have those HHs. Assuming you made people at PBP aware of the potential damage, how could this not be top priority right now?

a friend of mine won some in the freerolls there ~2 years ago,
built a "roll" of 200 or so, then lost it all when his account got "highjacket"

as in, he would click on fold but the client would raise for him and so on,
I saw this with my own eyes, at the time I guessed he was trojan infected
and someone was having fun with him, but this still seemed unlikely and a scan didnt show anything.

I see this in a new light now.

awesome logic.

Funny how people think Pitbull must be a big company with a security team, IT departement and different level of management. PBdave does an awesome job by saying stuff like this:

I doubt if entire PB poker has more then 5 employees and if they even HAVE an office building. Probably they al just work from home keeping in touch with eachother by skype and email etc. If they do have an office the guys Dave keeps referring to are probably sitting right next to him, so why is he stalling?

Dave,

I will do my best to keep discussion as professional as possible from here on out. I would ask everyone else to please do the same and not bother with needless insults.

Can you see if you can find out what database software is used to store the hands data? If we had that info then we could at least understand why there is such difficulty retrieving the data.

Bryan

I think these are just skins and woud probably be uninvolved, with the exception of 5 dimes which looks to be owned by dimensus too. Some of those skins still say they are licensed in the UK.

2 new names here

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ll-casino.html

Malcolm Edwards and Andy Butler of Dimensus Solutions Limited

There are two handfuls of reasons not to use PBP, but for me, not being able to get HH's is first and foremost.

This isn't a new development. When I played there last year, I wanted to see some HH's of suspicious play and the search engine showed I played at tables I was never at and when I would request HH's for the tables i DID play at, they were never provided. I was told I would have them in 3 days, which then became 7 days, which then became 14 days, which then became never because I left the site.

It pretty much mirrors what chester and rapala have written here.

How can a legitimate poker site not produce HH's and not think that people will complain or call them cheaters?

A simple question, and yet even the simple ones go ignored by PBP.

It is inexcuseable.

Dimensus Solutions Ltd is a computer software company, created in July 2003 and still in operation. Pitbull do clearly state that they are owned by Dimensus Ltd., which is a different company...

Pitbull Poker still claim on their website to be licensed and registered in the UK, which appears to be untrue.

I don´t know if this has been brought up yet, but I found an interesting article, that mentions a guy called Jeremy Brenes. The article dates back 2 years, but it really seems, that "Dave" Brenes actually is Jeremy as stated (and denied) earlier in this thread Sorry for the useless post,if this has been mentionted before

Wow dave you and your company are really coming off bad in this thread

HH's taking 6 months and still not got them cashouts taking 5 months wtf!!!!!

This thread's been here how long and you cant even get these hh's to clear your companys name sorry but i think your company is done after this even if it comes out that nothing went on!

He didn't deny it, he confirmed that David is his real name and Jeremy a nickname. Guys please don't give Dave too hard of a time personally, like I said before I don't think if there is cheating that he has anything to do with it. I have good reason to believe this based on some people willing to vouch for him as long as I kept their names off the forums.


And the opposite is true of Kevin. No one that has worked with him has anything good to say whatsoever.

I believe PBdave he has admitted he liked that "nickname".

Nice find and awful ironic.

After posting that link I think I need to clarify my opinion on D.J Brenes.

I don´t think, that he is in anyway involved in, or aware of the possible cheating.

To me it sounds like he is left alone to wash other peoples dirty laundry with his hands tied and can´t really give any specific answers to the questions asked or the requests made.

What I would like to see is someone who is limiting his authority to come forward and answer the questions or at least release the handhistorys, that are locked in the DB.

In my opinion Dave is in a difficult position and not involved in any wrongdoing, but may or may not be aware of any. I mentioned it before, but he sure reminds me of Baghdad Bob, who seemed to be a good guy working for bad people.

The reason is that Pitbull owns the network and the whitelabels have no control of what is going on.

glad I got my manies out back in teh day

damn this thread is getting good

Dave,

Is there any way you can connect Chester or Rapala with the IT or DB manager? Email address or telephone? Anything that could resolve this would be great.

Is there anyone higher up than yourself that can take a simple request from customers or soon to be former customers of your business?

Thanks for trying to help.

Its probably more like your posts that incite the abuse Dave, because you come off as shady, ill-informed, unprofessional, incompetent and untrustworthy.

Most people will realise randoms posting about a rigged site on an Internet Poker forum have to be taken with a grain of salt without solid proof.

Im amazed that you ever managed to get a job representing a companies interests due to your total incompetence at dealing with a situation like this. It just highlights the fact that the company in question is of very low quality and very poorly run that they would have you personally deal with a situation that could easily be terminal, on the largest public forum in its industry.

It seems as though PBP doesn't watch 60 minutes. Otherwise they would know what 2p2 is capable of, and do whatever it takes to alleviate the situation before it gets to that point. I mean, I can't imagine such a small site being able to survive what UB went through on national television.

Guys here is where we stand now:

I believe all relevant people and companies have have been identified.

If there was wrongdoing, I believe I should be hearing back from some people that can verify the stories, especially if the sweatshop story has any truth to it.

If there was no wrongdoing, I am now back in productive dialogue with Dave, and we should be able to verify these things in a somewhat timely manner.

I am sorry things had to get this unpleasant to get an appropriate reaction from pitbull. So far the only verified shortcomings of pitbull are poor communication and slow response times. Kevin, while having a questionable history has not yet been shown to have done anything wrong here. I too do not have a perfect past though it may not show up on the internet so easily. We can't condemn someone in this case for past wrongdoings.

They have been misleading regarding licenses but this is standard for the industry and not something I intend to pursue if there is no evidence of cheating on the site. I play in a state where poker is banned so it benefits me that some companies are willing to bend the law. Being that they are in Costa Rica it is possible they have not broken any laws.

Please lets keep things pleasant in the meantime, and I hope to have a solid resolution one way or the other in the near future.