Andanthar--my post regarding 5/10 limit holdem, have you ever seen a player in your life check 3 times heads up with pocket aces and just call the river for 1 bet?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...1/index20.html

NObody can for sure point to cheating in one instance with one hand, but what I was trying to prove was that if he could see my cards, he played the hand EXACTLY right to extract the most money out of me with the exception to a river raise which I say would have been so blatantly ridiculous, it would almost scream superuser.

And then just a couple hands later, the same villian calls a 3-bet from me (on the button), cold from the SB (with the original raiser who I suspect as a 'real player' calls too).

With my AJs, and a board of q-10-6 rainbow, it checks around to me which i bet and I'm raised from the SB villain, which folds the original raiser, and I call. So this guy raises a 3-better post flop with an original raiser behind him, but did not bet AA once during the previous encounter. hmmmm....if I was a poker player, I'd say KQ, QJ or 10J sounds about right here...

A king hits, and the pot is now up to 14 small bets. He checks, I take my time and bet and he instant folds.

I can't deduce with 14 small bets in the pot why any regular player would not call one big bet vs me in this situation. Any pair, pair with a straight draw should call. The only hands that fold (that make sense calling 3 bets cold) are pocket pairs, but remember there was an original raiser behind this guy and I just dont' see a good play from a player who checks aces 3 times heads up. (Maybe the villian did have a pp and knew original raiser had air too, like A-9 or a smaller pair.)

These are real hands and if you want me to send you over the proof with HH, I'd be willing to do it. I know for a fact that this particular player did not lose a single showdown vs. me, and I played around 100 hands or so 4-handed.

Let me know what you think and if you'd like to see thise HH. Thanks.

So again, my point being that if you COULD see my cards, a pocket pair here is played to perfection, drawing dead on the river.

Again, as you know, the stuff I have makes it very easy for me to conclude there is cheating, but very difficult for me to see superusing. I do have a few self-admitted donkishly played hands, plus two that were openly posted that actually contradict superusing. We also have you guys saying they never lost at showdown, but you're using terms like "I don't remember" and don't have a single HH to back that up.

I probably shouldn't have used "99%" because something that also kinda sorta fits is that banned guy's "there are 20 different Costa Rican teenagers being paid $2.50 an hour to superuse" explanation, which would explain why some of their plays are just bad and others awful. I admittedly didn't initially think about a superuser farm (lol who would) and, while it's still a crappy explanation because it doesn't mesh with (you know what), it at least can't be ruled out. Looking into that guy, he seems real - in the sense that he is Costa Rican and the email address he used belonged to a real person living in CR - but he did not register under his real name, had "former AP employee" (wat?) in his profile, and according to TT, was involved in an extortion attempt against Pitbull. I've got no idea what to make of it.

Actually I think the lesson I'm getting from this right now is "goddamn never register at a site without saved HH's whether it's rigged or not because you're going to drive yourself insane".

We get "he checked it back with a straight flush" posted in BBV every 2 weeks.

To be slightly less sarcastic, yeah, I've *personally* had something similar happen at least a few times that I can think of, although the last time I played LHE was a long time ago back when a 2 AF was a huge number. In NL, I've definitely seen the "flat pre, check behind the flop, call the turn, check the river" line with an overpair enough to know it's common if you suck.

e: but yes I've only been asking for HH's about a thousand times so sending actual hand histories over to me may or may not help THANKS

e again: going out, back tonight

you clearly enjoy playing devils advocate...but you can't be serious. It has been all but proven that this site is not even real, you can't base your position on what has happened on real poker sites. that post where that guy mentions k. baranofsky for the first time and mentions his superuser farm seems like the likely scenario

Ultimately we won't know for sure without the hand histories, which, as we know, aren't forthcoming and appear to have been deleted. adanthar has excellent credentials, so we should let him do his work and find out what happens. Whether bots, superusers, sheer bad luck or anything else, we at least know that the site has no licence, isn't registered in the UK as it claims to be, has no effective parent company, and is run by a convicted fraudster, and many other things. There will be more to come, I am sure.

Unless somebody from Pitbull would care to set the record straight, of course.

That's exactly why I was literally the first person outside the LHE forums to say "AP is clearly rigged and these numbers prove it" and then spent 4 weeks fending off a bunch of trolls that actually did enjoy playing devil's advocate...oh wait, no it wasn't, I said it because I actually had the data in front of me.

okay, really going now

Adanthar can you PM me that guys email? I would really like to contact him for obvious reasons.

Also I found a link to employee login and it conveniently has all employees listed. (lol) It seems like an awful lot of people for a site that seemingly has no security, no programmers, maybe 1 guy doing cashier work, and maybe a few customer support chat people. It is in the NVG thread, when you get a chance can you scan that list and see if any names jump out at you from your AP research just for kicks? A few people have pm'd me that there are some people that may indeed have worked for both companies.

Andathar--just sent you over the two HH's I was talking about.

you have PM's

updated.

Wow that guys info actually is valid, it seems there might really be something to the superuser sweatshop thing. Wouldn't that be something!

this is the PM i got with randall back in the days to bad they did bann him otherwise this case was alredy fixed months ago.....



Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Tres Rios, Costa Rica
Posts: 9 Re: some more info pls

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Hey Zigi thanks for the advice,
This is not my picture,in fact this pic belong to the puppet of the company who's actually in charge to fired those poor kids.
Tell me what info do you need and I can gladly provide it to you.

god bless.

Here are some other random sites I have found associated with kevin. Nothing really interesting though.


cashbackmall.com
dsscanuck.com
dssdepot.com
eczemaderm.com
legalwizard.com
mobiuscr.com
pheromonecity.com
pherx.com
qdc.com
vegasbuzz.com
waterfallmedia.com
wsop.com

Can someone link to the banned poster please? I am having trouble finding his screen name on here.

additional i found this sites, posted ehm few sites ago..
"flashpoker.com"
"minty poker"
"playerwins.com"
there some casinos on this name too as i know.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/161215/

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Edit/MH: This links to randallmikevargas.

Thx. His posts can't be viewed anymore. Is there a way to retrieve them?

In that PM above he seems to say that Kevin is a puppet for another company. I have to admit that kind of scares me and i'm not sure I would want to try too hard to research it.

I made this post back in january under my old 2+2 sn. Too bad I posted it in the wrong place (and admittedly flimsy evidence) and nobody with similar experiences saw it then or we might have shut these cheats down much earlier. Unfortunately all I got was 90% flame and sarcasm and I gave up doing anything further until the HH's arrived which of course they never did.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...advice-384540/

(and yes, in this post there is a subtheme of vindication to the haters in that thread who are so good at instantly judging)

Guys,

I am here to clarify a few things for you:

1. I am not related to the excellent Brenes brothers. In Costa Rica, Brenes is a relatively common last name.
2. I am a real person, hired by Pitbull Gaming over a year ago to look after the network they were building and along the line I started to taking care of other tasks to eventually look after the forums with the idea of providing an additional support venue.
3. The HH policy is what I know; I follow the policies and terms that the company has set. I am not making new policies out of thin air. We have never sent HHs like the ones requested and has always been the same policy (at least since I joined the company).
4. I am not attempting to be deceitful with you guys or anyone, I was actually trying to be a mediator and resolve the conflict.
5. As of today I am not posting anymore and you will have to deal ONLY with Customer Support if you want to keep asking for HHs or ask for payouts or whatever you can think of.

Good bye

Dave Brenes
Network Manager
Pitbull Gaming
Pitbull Poker
Pitbull Partners

quoted for lulz

Just explain one thing to me before you go please. Why did you tell me over email that I would be receiving the HH's but now you say that it has always been company policy not to send them as I requested?

cheatorzzz ITT

Well, Dave certainly cleared everything up.

[x] sarcasm

At least Dave cleared up one burning question. He is, in fact, not related to Humberto Brenes. Glad we straightened that out.

Wow