and the whole 50k buy in part.

To revive limit poker the answer is quite simple in my opinion. Simply raise rakeback percentages to 40% or so. This will entice regulars to try it, and once there, many will like it and stay limit regulars. The 40% will offset the high cost of playing limit poker and will look quite attractive to no limit players receiving, say 27% on Full Tilt. If Full Tilt were smart they would use this tactic while the iron is still hot because of the black card debacle.

Can you imagine the bitching that would take place if LHE players got 40% and NL/PLO players were kept at 27%?

It would make SS hate look tame.

Wrong wrong way to correct things in my opinion for a couple of reasons:

First of all: only the better players take full advantage of reward systems and it is very important that bad players have a "better time" playing FL too. It is important that they feel good upswings and the better way to do it is lowering rake (wich is "instant money", not "points money" or "later money").

Second: it will inflame other players cause most of the informed players unfortunately see the things too much in terms of rakeback (when, in fact, what it really mattes it is the effective rake you end paying anyway). But, given the way players tend to see things, that would be just "another problem" to poker sites deal with.

So: lower the rake (new rake table structure) and dont even need to "tell" players about it cause it is NOT a matter of advertising but a matter of how it affects the game experience (both for regular and casual players).

you know what's hilarious, this would probably work, at least to some degree. I can't say for sure if it would be profit neutral or not for a site though. It would probably work better on stars since fish get "rakeback" in the form of free stuff, and it's also already the biggest limit site (in lieu of 40% it would be 8xvpp or something, I think most half-way decent fish are aware of how the vpp system works for the most part).

The sites won't do it though again; it's risky and not guaranteed to have the results they expect, and might cost them in the long run.

FWIW, when Party introduced the 6max tables in 2006, I rolled into them as best I could via email. I accused them straight out of trying to increase their rake, obviously at the detriment of players. Of course I didn't get anywhere with it and found that they were much more profitable to play at the time anyway.

Another solution would be to lower the blinds by half. Say at 2/4 the big blind is $1, small blind .50. It might be against the spirit of hold'em, shrug, but sites certainly won't do that either as it will just take profit straight out of their pockets. It would really line up the rake between limit and NL though.

yeah, cuz that would really help limit poker, a big influx of RB pros...which is pretty much all LHE is now

I mean id be all for it, because it would clear them off the NL tables, but I dont think it would do wonders for FL games

thats why they made it 50K, just another step to keep your average donk from playing in it.

The beauty of LHE is you have to play (especially 6 max) or the blinds will eat you alive. Players can not sit back and set mine and hope to stack off a nit with AA. Rakeback pro or not, LHE makes the person play and defend his blinds much more than NLHE.

that doesnt change anything. Its just a different style of play to be a RB pro in LHE than it is in NLHE, but LHE is still full of people who only make their money on RB, even more so than in NL

rofl gee I wonder why that is

And that is becaaaaaause....

Yeap!

Limit is fine. If you want to bet more each street play NL or PL.

The main thing I like about limit is knowing a bad beat or bad read on my part isn't going to cost me my entire stack. If I wanted the option to go allin I would play NL instead.
Even though limit has less games running then NL, it is still far more popular then Omaha or Stud. If anything fiddle around with the rules of those games to bring in more players.

Yeap, I am not about modifying the game in itself to attract players. The game doesnt need it...

Fixed limit is quite popular enough and a lot of players enjoy it as it is, at home, on live casinos and some still do online.

The only problem that I see on Limit is that with the fenomena of evening out of the field (which happened in poker in general due to poker sites, coaching, videos, tools, etc, etc) it became a game harder to beat (specifically harder to beat the rake) which hurts both regular and casual players.

Sites taking about 3~5 BB/100 in most low/micro limits per player (!) where a good (above average) player hardly makes 1 or 2 and others barely breaking even is waaaay to much!

It is oversized and the game experience suffers...

It would be a good thing even if there was no rakeback and simply players payed less rake (in the same direct proportion) cause it was instant money. That means that players would see the money on their accounts (even bad players would enjoy better up swings... some of them will never see the reward money). So that they would bankrupt less or play longer times...

I've never said it wasnt

It's going to be great when stars cuts the rakes in half... and everyone gets pissed off because now they can't make SNE.

lol, sadly this might just happen.

lol, I guarantee that would happen.

I remember when party upped the rake from $2 to $3 in 6max games and there were people stupid enough to be happy because it meant theyd be getting more rakeback every month.

How is this thread still going?

Right. "Limit is dead" you said on page one. It can't be revived. But now on page 13, there are more rakeback pros than in no limit. Right.

PR shills.

This thread is still going cause there are a lot of fixed limit players and there is something wrong with online fixed limit.

I suppose on the bright side... no one's suggested a strike yet.

rush limit poker + allow 5bets

first, change your setting...if you are on page 13, you are doing it wrong.

Anyway, I was talking about per capita, which I just assumed was understood.

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There already is Rush Limit Poker. Increasing the player pool would be nice.