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08-11-2010 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pk_nuts
Well it was almost ten years ago, but my memory is correct. I can also prove online is rigged it's easy. Every time villain flops a set I pay them off , but i never get paid off. Wait Maybe I'm just a donk. No that is contrary to what my ego tells me. It's rigged. That's indisputable.
(why am I dragging myself into this again? Monty slap me around!)

So I don't suppose you'd care to substantiate your claim that you never get paid off with your sets. Should be easy to do. Put all your HHs into a tracker, filter for when you flop a set, and we can see how you did.

(Monty? Monty? Tell me not to bother with these guys who will never ever ever ever substantiate their claims....help me brother!)
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08-11-2010 , 04:32 PM
Arouet, what you need to be slapped around for is responding seriously to a pretty obvious joke.
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08-11-2010 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Arouet, what you need to be slapped around for is responding seriously to a pretty obvious joke.
You probably read the first post along with the second post. I read the first post earlier and just saw the second post on its own.

The first one I kinda enjoyed. Taken on its own, the second one is a good example of Poe's Law.

In any event, I should go back to my self-imposed exile of this thread....

Edit: plus I've just finished an all day meeting, and my brain is well and truly fried! I want a mulligan!
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08-11-2010 , 05:08 PM
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08-11-2010 , 05:22 PM
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08-11-2010 , 05:24 PM
STFU.
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08-11-2010 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Protential
the top 2 major sites get constantly audited by some of the worlds top online security companies multiple times a year, all the data from them is made public. and on multiple occasions other people have used their own software to test the sites also free of charge, to test the worthyness of the audits. Of poekrstars and FTP neither site has ever been found to have a fauly RNG.

ok i know this but pokerstars/ft have ******ed amounts of money. they could be very well paying them off for all we know.
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08-11-2010 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by karmabling
No. I left cake due to all the cheating. You should do likewise

Karma


Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back at your comment now back to mine. Sadly it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could look like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, writing the comment your comment could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again the reply is now diamonds. Anything is possible with legit comments. I'm on a chair.

Last edited by SuperUberBob; 08-11-2010 at 05:52 PM. Reason: Is this better PP?
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08-11-2010 , 05:46 PM
SUB
A+ post.

Last edited by Videopro; 08-11-2010 at 08:02 PM. Reason: much better :-)
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08-11-2010 , 06:23 PM
What gain would the poker sites have of making bad beats happen more often than they should?

None.

Now GTFO and take your ******ed thread with you.
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08-11-2010 , 06:27 PM
Let me follow that up. Poker sites earn their revenue from rake, plain and simple. It is completely in their interest to make the game as fair as possible, no gain can come from doing otherwise.. By doing otherwise they are risking their entire business.

The only way for poker sites to cheat players that makes sense is by either having superusers, or bots that have more of a chance of winning than regular players. Obv neither of those are occuring. Pokerstars and FTP make a ridiculous amount of money, why would they risk their entire business by unnecessarily making it unfair?
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08-11-2010 , 07:09 PM
OP i'm with you. here's a pic of me from last may:



only a little further down and we WILL know the truth
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08-11-2010 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeBlack16
But help me understand this. There certainly are good players that play with a constant ROI of +15-20%. And they can't play with that winning rate against each other. I mean most of that must come from playing the fish.
How can that be sustainable for a longer period of time?
So.. What you're saying is that all the live poker games in Vegas, California and Atlantic City have long since dried up and no casinos spread poker anymore? Live poker games have been around much longer than online, so presumably all the live players have already gone broke and given up on an unsustainable game, right?

Or are you also claiming that live poker rooms rig the deal too?

Why are you comparing online poker to something very different like slot machines when you could be comparing to something much more similar like live poker?
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08-12-2010 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Monty slap me around
arou,
seeing as you seem so in need, and monty aint forthcoming,
just wondering?

can i give you a slap instead?
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08-12-2010 , 12:54 AM
Love the affiliate shills.

Would love to hear how inept techs, who are unable to provide SSL encryption, are able to implement a psuedo random number generator.

Here is article on planetpoker's flawed RNG.

What independent company has reviewed/tested the cake network PRNG?

Crickets...

Karma

Last edited by karmabling; 08-12-2010 at 01:03 AM.
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08-12-2010 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by karmabling
Love the affiliate shills.

Would love to hear how inept techs, who are unable to provide SSL encryption, are able to implement a psuedo random number generator.

Here is article on planetpoker's flawed RNG.

What independent company has reviewed/tested the cake network PRNG?

Crickets...

Karma
Karma, I am just curious, what exactly makes you suspicious about Cake's RNG? I mean are you a consistent winner on other online poker sites over sufficient sample size? And just can't win on Cake?
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08-12-2010 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by karmabling
Love the affiliate shills.

Would love to hear how inept techs, who are unable to provide SSL encryption, are able to implement a psuedo random number generator.

Here is article on planetpoker's flawed RNG.

What independent company has reviewed/tested the cake network PRNG?

Crickets...

Karma
This reminds me of your Victory Poker warning thread where you made all those allegations based on zero facts and were eventually just laughed at by everyone.
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08-12-2010 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by d3 fact0
Karma, I am just curious, what exactly makes you suspicious about Cake's RNG? I mean are you a consistent winner on other online poker sites over sufficient sample size? And just can't win on Cake?
No. I am questioning it because if you are unable to implement SSL then everything needs to be checked. Thats it.

Karma
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08-12-2010 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by HeavyTrev
This reminds me of your Victory Poker warning thread where you made all those allegations based on zero facts and were eventually just laughed at by everyone.
zero facts? Victory Poker CEO's partner from prior business was indicted on felony charges. A boat registered to victory poker CEO was confiscated.

Oh, how is victory poker doing today? Didn't they used to have a forum? I seemed to notice lot of withdrawal complaints.

You do like to come to the defense of these sites. Love the affiliates.

Also, I failed to catch the company that audited the cake network PRNG. Care to add some real facts

Crickets....

Karma
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08-12-2010 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by karmabling
zero facts? Victory Poker CEO's partner from prior business was indicted on felony charges. A boat registered to victory poker CEO was confiscated.

Oh, how is victory poker doing today? Didn't they used to have a forum? I seemed to notice lot of withdrawal complaints.
I'm not going to argue this again with you. Your thread already speaks volumes about you and your 'case' against Victory.

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Originally Posted by karmabling
You do like to come to the defense of these sites. Love the affiliates.

Also, I failed to catch the company that audited the cake network PRNG. Care to add some real facts
I like calling you a troll.

Non-rigtard posters with real concerns/information/facts about problems on poker sites I'd listen to. You make assumptions as to how things could be and then expect everyone to put the foil hats on you're passing out.
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08-12-2010 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by HeavyTrev
I'm not going to argue this again with you. Your thread already speaks volumes about you and your 'case' against Victory.



I like calling you a troll.

Non-rigtard posters with real concerns/information/facts about problems on poker sites I'd listen to. You make assumptions as to how things could be and then expect everyone to put the foil hats on you're passing out.

My old philosophy prof told us that when people have no facts/no case they resort to attacking you.

I noticed in your post history you respond to a lot of rakeback questions

Oh and did you mention who audited the PRNG of cake network. I missed it between the ad hom comments.


Karma

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08-12-2010 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by TvSa
arou,
seeing as you seem so in need, and monty aint forthcoming,
just wondering?

can i give you a slap instead?
One day, grasshopper, one day...
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08-12-2010 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
One day, grasshopper, one day...
See this 'ere pebble ...
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08-12-2010 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
You probably read the first post along with the second post. I read the first post earlier and just saw the second post on its own.

The first one I kinda enjoyed. Taken on its own, the second one is a good example of Poe's Law.
This really was a good example of Poe's law, wasn't it.

The riggies and 'tards who claim that they never get what they should make it hard to use hyperbole to indicate your parody.
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08-12-2010 , 06:17 AM
I've never really taken the time, (or even had the time), to sit down and analyze my hand histories before. I've decided to start doing it recently, to try and understand my game more and to check out the dealing on the site I play on, (iPoker), as other people here have suggested.

How many hands would you suggest analyzing before you can get a reasonable picture ?

Also, having studied some basic statistics, I remember something about margins-of-error for probabilities, or something like that. Can someone, (probably spadebidder), briefly explain how they work or where I can find a table of them. Thanks.

I have started by analyzing my all-in hands. Some 'interesting' results so far, but probably not enough hands to be drawing any sort of major conclusions.
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