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08-05-2010 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TvSa
Donko, i dont want to spoil the party and celebrations,
but, out of curiousity,
is this a true conversion or, perhaps, one of convenience?
and if so
when/what was the illumination?
Donko's never been a real, diehard, rigtard.

He doesn't ignore what people say and he doesn't respond with inane irrelevancies - except in jest.

He will admit to vacillating , though.
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08-05-2010 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TvSa
Donko, i dont want to spoil the party and celebrations,
but, out of curiousity,
is this a true conversion or, perhaps, one of convenience?
and if so
when/what was the illumination?
There were several reasons for the change. I do still have to fight the rigged undertow though. The guys here have been pretty patient with me which has been helpful.

1. I have not been able to prove anything in my own hand histories
2. No one else has come forward with any proof
3. A buddy of mine is killing it over on one of the big sites and see's nothing wrong.
4. What else am I going to do outside of quit playing?

I have decided to focus on my game and get as good at this as I can. I am starting to really be able to force the action and read my opponents better live and online. At this pace, in the next couple of years, I will be able to play professionally live and online if I want to.

Thinking about rigged deals is just a waste of my potential. If I really think a site is ripping me off, then I need to prove it, otherwise I am just spouting off. I do like to talk ****, but only to people who deserve it. I don't think the big sites deserve it if I don't have proof of wrong doing. Don't get me wrong, I am not going to place 100% of my trust in any online site, but I do think that I have to maintain some balance here or I will burn myself out.

I hope this answers your question.

Joe
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08-05-2010 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown
2. No one else has come forward with any proof
this
you would have thought would be enough, but yes, thank you joe, you sure have answered the question
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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown
If I really think a site is ripping me off
a) renounce your shilldom
b) move to another one
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08-05-2010 , 06:33 PM
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I wonder why FT and PS are both campaigning hard for HR 2267, have both contributed money to support it, and are both delighted at the progress of this legislation? According to Rich Muny (who knows firsthand), "The bottom line is that the sites are thrilled with this bipartisan win in Congress."
That was all before they knew the bill would contain an ammendment saying that any online poker site operating illegally now would not get a license once the law was signed and that had to move to the US and pay taxes. They just assumed the US would give them a license the way they were operating as they have been. Of course they would pump money into it but things are a bit different now. Going to be intresting to see how things play out.
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08-05-2010 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
That was all before they knew the bill would contain an ammendment saying that any online poker site operating illegally now would not get a license once the law was signed and that had to move to the US and pay taxes. They just assumed the US would give them a license the way they were operating as they have been. Of course they would pump money into it but things are a bit different now. Going to be intresting to see how things play out.
Yes, but they are prepared to argue in court that they are not operating illegally now. The DOJ has been afraid to let this get anywhere near a courtroom because they are likely to lose any attempt to show that current federal law prohibits online poker. Most lawyers who have looked at this say that there is no law against it now. Just because a random member of congress says something doesn't make it so.
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08-05-2010 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Illumatti brainwashed you... This is your typical and standard Nephilim alien abduction...

Nordics have been violating the GREADA treaty since it was signed.

Monteroy, Arouet, Wiki and Spadebidder= Lizard People.

That only leaves out QPW... I now have proof that he's a shape shifter and attempted to take on my appearance....


Donko, they inserted a tracking device into your head

Please get the largest tweasers you can find and fire up your webcam.

Just like 'Total Recall,' you remove it thru your nostrils

Insert the Tweasers thru your nose and into your sinus cavity. Squeeze and hold the first thing you "catch."

With out hesitation, rip out the first thing you grab onto.

It may take a couple attempts, but eventually you'll find it. If you lose more then 2 pints of blood in the first hour of removal, don't get frustrated, wait 24 hours then repeat.

Please record in atleast 720p.

Post Video on Youtube
That wasn't completely horrible.
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08-06-2010 , 03:58 PM
Is there a thread for lizard people? Or is this it?
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08-06-2010 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Provide something to back this up, or find some other thread to troll with your ridiculous assertions.
Bobo,

SSL is incredibly easy to implement. A random number generator is much harder to implement in comparison. Therefore it is logical to assume that if clowns in the cake network are incapable of SSL then they are probably equally incapable when it comes to implementing a random number generator.

The only thing ridiculous is your lack of technical expertise.

As for the troll comment, I have been warning 2p2 about the bad techs at cake for quite some time in regards to being able to stop poker edge and etc.

Karma

PS. you young kids are great at poker but suck at life

PSS. I tried to warn everyone about the bad software engineer(s) (if you can call them that) at cake when it came to poker edge and no one listened.

Last edited by karmabling; 08-06-2010 at 10:07 PM.
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08-06-2010 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavyTrev
Are you still upset about the chat ban you got at cake?
No. I left cake due to all the cheating. You should do likewise

Karma
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08-07-2010 , 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
Is there a thread for lizard people?
Yes.

But only Lizard people can see it in the index.
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08-07-2010 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
Is there a thread for lizard people? Or is this it?



Don't you get it?! Every thread on this Forum is for/about Lizard People! Wake up people!!

The extent of their power is limitless. Endless wealth that spreads across all branches of Government, politics, law enforcement, foreign policy and now...Wall Street.

http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf...ood_bet_f.html


There is a global conspiracy by the Nephilim, Annunaki, Nordic's and Gray's to exterminate and dehabilitate the Hybrid race known as **** Sapiens. They have recently designed Internet poker sites, Matrix style RNG's and software to "tilt" and demoralize players so mercilously that they resort to SMD's(Software for Massive Destruction;Super Users; Super Bots) to destabilize our economy paving the way for an effortless take-over.

They have successfully infiltrated twoplustwo, poising as Moderators, site representatives and Lee Jones'es(Jones-ez-is),
facilitating the cover-up to further advance their agenda and impose their will on the Poker Community..

I have created several threads proving the Moderators and Lee Jones'es(Reps) are part of an advanced superior race of beings that aid in the New World Order take over:

Lizard People.

However, due to Affirmative Action, the Greada Treaty, slander laws, and the Paper Work Reduction Act of 2009, I unable bring forth or disclose all my evidence to prove this. I would be negating my efforts to vanquish these savage barbarians with out exposing my true identity. But You must believe me!
Spoiler:
Each thread is closed/locked by the powers invested by the Lizard People.
I have been chasing and following their money and blood trail for over 250 years, which began during my past life as Napoleon Bonaparte. The only way Nostradamus could of foresaw the future was the Annunaki and their tools of evil. Those tools of evil were evolved in the 1950's to produce a "Vunder Vepon"(Wonder Weapon) that Germany claimed to have possessed before their collapse and Allied take-over post WWII=RNG.
(Reptilian Numeric Genie or what we call Random Number Generator)AKA: Witch craft; tools of the devil(Lizard People)


Genie's=Grants wishes.



Eisenhower's speech about RNG's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8ww...eature=related

My therapist, who I believe to be a Demi-God, son of Zues, is trying to convince me that these "visions" derive from epileptic episodes, known by what the Lizard People coined as, "Paranoid Schizophrenia" and delusional paranoia.

I am lining up all of my ducks to create an Epic Mega-thread. This is just the beginning.

Last edited by tk1133; 08-07-2010 at 01:49 PM.
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08-07-2010 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
This is just the beginning.
nice beginning
we only can hope chapter 2 holds up as well
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08-07-2010 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TvSa
nice beginning
we only can hope chapter 2 holds up as well
I can only provide little at a time...

...my brain becomes infiltrated by swarms of "brain typhoons" caused by invisible Lizard People, Nephilim, and their remote RNG's. Facilitating my thoughts causing horrific "shaking spells;"that my "alleged Doctor" calls epileptic seizures.
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08-08-2010 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Yes.

But only Lizard people can see it in the index.
I'll have to have my lizard gf look it up for me then. Gots to know what them pesky lizard folk are up to!
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08-08-2010 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
I'll have to have my lizard gf look it up for me then. Gots to know what them pesky lizard folk are up to!
Does she look like this?

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08-08-2010 , 08:09 AM
I'll try to make this my last response to karma so as to avoid derailing this thread further, although I can't guarantee it will be if he keeps posting stupid ****.

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Originally Posted by karmabling
Bobo,

SSL is incredibly easy to implement. A random number generator is much harder to implement in comparison. Therefore it is logical to assume that if clowns in the cake network are incapable of SSL then they are probably equally incapable when it comes to implementing a random number generator.
Maybe you could argue that it's logical to assume that they could have screwed up the RNG as well. But that isn't what you did, is it? Here's what you said:

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Originally Posted by karmabling
I guarantee their random card generator is not random.
Which of course, it a guarantee you can't back up.

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Originally Posted by karmabling
The only thing ridiculous is your lack of technical expertise.
Um, OK. Of course, nothing in my reply to you required anything in the way of technical expertise.

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Originally Posted by karmabling
As for the troll comment, I have been warning 2p2 about the bad techs at cake for quite some time in regards to being able to stop poker edge and etc.
I'll take your word for it. Relevance? I accused you of trolling because you're making **** up about Cake's RNG; I could care less about your previous warnings.

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Originally Posted by karmabling
PS. you young kids are great at poker but suck at life
I'm 41, suck at poker, and have a great life. But thanks for playing.

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Originally Posted by karmabling
PSS. I tried to warn everyone about the bad software engineer(s) (if you can call them that) at cake when it came to poker edge and no one listened.
Yeah, you already mentioned that. Still irrelevant.
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08-08-2010 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ydward
Some deals you can see coming a mile off anymore in online poker:

PokerStars Game #47881089996: Tournament #296588795, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2010/08/08 14:24:15 ET
Nostradamus also predicted 9/11:

Forty-five degrees, the sky will burn,
Fire to approach the great new city.
Instantly a great scattered flame will leap up,
When one will want to make proof of the Normans.
(Century 6.97)
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08-08-2010 , 03:57 PM
so they are rigging the freerolls? lololololol

btw you are awful at poker
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08-08-2010 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ydward
And those were from a single tourney, and I didn't post about 5 or 6 other runner runner miracles from allins and at least 5 or 6 other simple river suckouts after the chips were allin simply because I was trying to post these ridiculous hands along with playing several other tourneys on Fullshiit.
That's too bad, I was really looking forward to those 5 or 6 other hands.
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08-08-2010 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ydward
Here is another runner runner miracle!
The only miracle is that you think this is remotely interesting to anybody with any sense. Even if you think these cherry picked hands are "suspicious" it is surely nothing that any Pokerstars player wouldnt have seen thousands of times more than you so what is your point?

Also, perhaps you should allow everybody to see the full unedited tournment hand history to see how many of your "witty predictions" proved to be complete rubbish. That is assuming you haven't just typed them in after the event anyway. If your prediction skills are so good why are you playing freerolls?

Oh and BTW, lol at limping JJ then folding because you didn't want to bubble a freeroll. How much did you win?
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08-08-2010 , 06:19 PM
[QUOTE=Bobo Fett;20770346]I'll try to make this my last response to karma so as to avoid derailing this thread further, although I can't guarantee it will be if he keeps posting stupid ****.


Maybe you could argue that it's logical to assume that they could have screwed up the RNG as well. But that isn't what you did, is it? Here's what you said:


Which of course, it a guarantee you can't back up.


Um, OK. Of course, nothing in my reply to you required anything in the way of technical expertise.


I'll take your word for it. Relevance? I accused you of trolling because you're making **** up about Cake's RNG; I could care less about your previous warnings.


QUOTE]

I too have my concerns about the RNG. This is mainly due to an observation in relation to the seating in MTTs and STTs which certainly was not random 18 months ago. This was a time when I played frequently on Cake via a skin, and mainly SnGs and MTTs. I was observing that I was getting dealt the SB/BB in the first hand (particularly the SB) with a very high frequency, to the point that I was surprised when it did not happen. Having observed this, I started noting whether I was dealt the blinds in any SnG where I was the first name alphabetically. Over a small sample of 60 10 man tournaments, I was in the blinds 45% and on the btn once only. Although, this was a small sample, it was taken after already observing this for some time and with the expectation of similar results. I was a winner on Cake despite this, especially as the tournies were very soft then. I had to stop playing SnGs when the unfortunate advent of DoNs killed the standard games off and only play occassionally on the site now as there is very little traffic.

Does this ring any bells with any Cake Regs.

This is the thread I started on another forum in March 2009. Of course, this may have been rectified by now, but maybe not. For example, you can still on a cash game play your BB, sit out SB, then get your Btn by returning immediately.

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I don't know if there is a problem regarding the dealing of cards, but I am certain that as far as seating in SNGs and tournaments is concerned the dealing of the initial Button the RNG is seriously defective.

Does the fact that the seating and allocation of the blinds for the first hands at a table, are far from what I would consider totally random, indicate an issue with the dealing?
Probably no connection, but there must be a percentage chance that there is a relationship.


Firstly, in a tournament, where late registration is being accepted, and additional players require a new table to be opened, often 8 of 10 players are all moved, they retain their current seating order, and the player who paid the first SB initially is returned to the SB. This will happen even when only one or two hands had been dealt. I have gone through 7 consequitive blinds as a result of this. Also, because Cake will put me in the blinds at the start of a 10 seater mtt or sng approx 45% of the time, as opposed to what should be an average of 20%, I am a heavy sufferer of this discrimination.


Secondly, when a player is moved to balance a table, it is not the utg player that is moved. If this decision was either based on logic or complete randomness then I could understand it. However, 33% of the time one of the player's who had just posted a blind gets moved, normally the player who was due to get the button.


Lastly, it seems to me that the reason I am dealt the sb or bb 45% of the time, is because I am normally the first player alphabetically on the table. Also, if certain players are at the same sng as me, I can normally predict where they will sit in relation to me.


Obviously, paying too many blinds and getting too few buttons is a disadvantage and I should probably change my handle to something like zzzzzzz and might do so if I could work out how to. However, if anyone thinks that I am being paranoid about his, I am willing to take a proposition bet over a series of sngs that I will start in one of the blinds at odds of 3/1 as opposed to 4/1 per game.
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08-08-2010 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Oh and BTW, lol at limping JJ then folding because you didn't want to bubble a freeroll. How much did you win?
Since he posted his SN, I don't think I'm unfairly outing him ...

1436: YanceyWard (Sandy Hook), $0.32

Edit: $0.28 was min-cash.

Last edited by obviously.bogus; 08-08-2010 at 07:18 PM.
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08-08-2010 , 07:42 PM
Bobo,

Your lack of technical expertise illustrates your ignorance and thus you fail to understand why my guarantee is dead on.


Karma
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08-08-2010 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by karmabling
Bobo,

Your lack of technical expertise illustrates your ignorance and thus you fail to understand why my guarantee is dead on.


Karma
-1
There is only one other poster in the forums who could put that much fail into one post.
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08-08-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?
-1
There is only one other poster in the forums who could put that much fail into one post.
If you keep trying to mock me I promise I have a thread in store for you! keep quiet or your self destuction will be inevitable, I promise you one more comment and I will start the thread, in the meantime maybe you should start posting in a strategy forum, your not improving your game w/ 2500 unique crap posts! There is nothing more telling about who you are than a PT3 rep calling you out for verbally asaulting there support staff, A company engaging in customer support usually keeps that stuff in house - until a ****y customer goes to far!
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