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07-09-2010 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
I think it will result in a stream of intentionally inflamatory lies rather than a "magical" week but if I have made it to the hallowed shill list I suppose I am in too.
List should have Josem, #8 most posts here.
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07-09-2010 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
List should have Josem, #8 most posts here.
True.

List is now:

Arouet *
Bingo *
Bobo *
Josem
KOF *
LVGambler *
Markusg
Monty *
Nfuego20 *
Spade *
otatop *
Wiki *

I don't know if it will be a 'magical' week but it will be interesting to see what happens when the riggies are left to their own device,
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07-09-2010 , 02:13 PM
What will happen is that it will be a lot more random in terms of the conversation structure because half of the "oh yeah - yeah" population will vanish.

Specifically what will happen? Who knows - it may be a lot of bad beat whining, or it could be more of some of the funny stuff like you saw here between tk and yarbles. It could also be relatively quiet and unused.

I expect if there is activity then it will be quite a bit more emotional and less rational and will degenerate to more of what the Real Deal forums are like for instance. After that, the next logical step would be for all "shills" to just leave this thread to it's own devices managed by the riggies and fakes and gimmicks and degens, as it would likely be far more entertaining to watch that at this point.

Guess we will see!
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07-09-2010 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
List should have Josem, #8 most posts here.
Yeah, but Josem is a known employee of a poker site, so that makes him a lackey, not a shill


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Last edited by obviously.bogus; 07-09-2010 at 02:21 PM. Reason: Me, I just like to troll this thread occasionally ... but will refrain from doing so during the "no shill" week.
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07-09-2010 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbles
smbbc
No doubt another exaggeration.
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07-09-2010 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
True.

List is now:

Arouet *
Bingo *
Bobo *
Josem
KOF *
LVGambler *
Markusg
Monty *
Nfuego20 *
Spade *
otatop *
Wiki *

I don't know if it will be a 'magical' week but it will be interesting to see what happens when the riggies are left to their own device,
Oh good...I AM GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF FUN WHILE YOU GUYS ARE AWAY!
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07-10-2010 , 03:07 AM
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Specifically what will happen? Who knows - it may be a lot of bad beat whining, or it could be more of some of the funny stuff like you saw here between tk and yarbles. It could also be relatively quiet and unused.
Or we can get more of your pompous attention whoring. Oh saw the pic of you at dinner with Collin in Vegas. You look exactly like I figured. Did you regail the table all night with how great you are?
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07-10-2010 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Or we can get more of your pompous attention whoring. Oh saw the pic of you at dinner with Collin in Vegas. You look exactly like I figured. Did you regail the table all night with how great you are?
wrong

Last edited by NFuego20; 07-10-2010 at 03:10 AM. Reason: actually that makes no sense this time, it's just been a universally true response to your posts up until this point
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07-10-2010 , 11:04 PM
Though i would share another riggeed thing i saw today while playing a 10 dollar don.

6 sets in 5 hands one of the 5 hands had set over set
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07-11-2010 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Or we can get more of your pompous attention whoring. Oh saw the pic of you at dinner with Collin in Vegas. You look exactly like I figured. Did you regail the table all night with how great you are?
Which one was he? I also saw the same pic.
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07-11-2010 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AntOWNius
Which one was he? I also saw the same pic.
The one who had the golden aura around him that said.

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07-13-2010 , 08:18 PM
I'm not here to bash FTP but why is it consistently that the day of my deposits I run well. I don't hit every hand but I'm not sucking out either; things seem like real live poker. Yet the next day guys are consistently hitting 2 outers and I feel like I'm getting robbed blindly. I have read a certain blog where a man claims to be a software designer for Full Tilt. Link is here:

http://fulltiltpokerrigged.blogspot....confirmed.html

I can't help but wonder if this is true. I'm asking you if anyone else has experienced this or if they believe that if you begin to exceed a certain number of hands things begin to work out more regularly i.e. the few guys I've seen make a profit on FTP are guys whose hands player number exceeds roughly 30k. Anyone else have this trouble? Is poker stars the solution? (doubt it). Just for outside info, I'm not a fish whining, I crush live play, raked in over 15k in profits at a look card club.
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07-13-2010 , 08:23 PM
Great first post, cant wait what your next will be like.

extra points for originality as well,

and welcome
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07-13-2010 , 08:28 PM
This one is too easy. I'll let the others rip you apart.

Welcome to the zoo!
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07-13-2010 , 08:45 PM
explain to me why the founders/owners of FTP- Howard Lederer, Chris Ferguson and their other minions, do not play of FTP and haven't in years. Why is that? Because they know they are going to lose? Must be. Ferguson lost over a grand in 1k hands so you tell me.
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07-13-2010 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nldangles
explain to me why the founders/owners of FTP- Howard Lederer, Chris Ferguson and their other minions, do not play of FTP and haven't in years. Why is that? Because they know they are going to lose? Must be. Ferguson lost over a grand in 1k hands so you tell me.
now I am starting to see your point

knew it your posts can only get better, cant wait for next one
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07-13-2010 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by nldangles
I'm not here to bash FTP but why is it consistently that the day of my deposits I run well. I don't hit every hand but I'm not sucking out either; things seem like real live poker. Yet the next day guys are consistently hitting 2 outers and I feel like I'm getting robbed blindly. I have read a certain blog where a man claims to be a software designer for Full Tilt. Link is here:

http://fulltiltpokerrigged.blogspot....confirmed.html

I can't help but wonder if this is true. I'm asking you if anyone else has experienced this or if they believe that if you begin to exceed a certain number of hands things begin to work out more regularly i.e. the few guys I've seen make a profit on FTP are guys whose hands player number exceeds roughly 30k. Anyone else have this trouble? Is poker stars the solution? (doubt it). Just for outside info, I'm not a fish whining, I crush live play, raked in over 15k in profits at a look card club.
Yes i have noticed. So now i just deposit run up my money then withdraw rinse and repeat the next day.

Last edited by batair; 07-13-2010 at 10:37 PM. Reason: Imrichbitch.
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07-14-2010 , 02:38 AM
poker is not riggged u guys are being redonkulous what do the sites have to gain to rig it.?
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07-14-2010 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nldangles
explain to me why the founders/owners of FTP- Howard Lederer, Chris Ferguson and their other minions, do not play of FTP and haven't in years. Why is that? Because they know they are going to lose? Must be. Ferguson lost over a grand in 1k hands so you tell me.
becaauce they are all in the 100's of millions of dollars... wat point is it for them to grind every day? its just not rigged its the same for everyone.
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07-14-2010 , 03:35 AM
I stopped reading this thread several weeks ago, so what's that list of names that I've been included on?
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07-14-2010 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
I stopped reading this thread several weeks ago, so what's that list of names that I've been included on?
smcb
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07-14-2010 , 04:50 AM
Oh no mod how could you do this to me.

All I had was a bit of fun with new tin foil guy, I even said welcome and bum you go and move the whole thread here.
I promised myself never to post in this one, now everything I worked so hard for is gone, I am completely shattered.
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07-14-2010 , 06:10 AM
I'm told that it is a list of online poker is not rigged folks who promise not to post in this thread for a week. Sign me up for that list! (Especially since I hadn't posted or been reading anything in this thread in recent weeks).

FWIW, I don't have the time to read this thread any more, but if people have questions they want to ask of me, feel free to send me a PM or email any time. You can even email PokerStars and ask for emails to be passed to me if you want too.
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07-15-2010 , 11:40 PM
Alright...I'm gonna chime in again...I've been arguing for some time now that the RNG is not random but that doesn't mean it's rigged, and other people have argued that if it's not random it must be rigged.

I am a winning player at every poker game I play, with 50% avg ROI or so in MTTs and around 32K in total profits...I'm a slightly winning player at 6max cash with 2K in profits, 22% overall ROI in SNG's which include all of em -- 6max stt's, don's, 180s...I played nl live as well and made 27 bucks an hour at 1/2, but i discovered limit poker and started to like it coz you can play longer hours, not as grueling and in vegas i made a pretty steady $21/hour at 8/16

I'm not braggin or anything I'm just saying I know what I'm doin and I know my odds and equity in the pots I play...

So after banging the MTT circuit in June for 3500 bucks, I decided to try limit poker on stars, beginning with 3/6, a level which I should be able to beat.

Well, I had a terrible time obv, losing about 4K overall in less than 3 weeks...I had to drop all the way down to the micro's coz that was the only game I could beat, I got slaughtered bad and I don't think it had to do with my play, tho I did play horribad in some spots, I don't think I played nearly poorly enough to lose

In fact I have never been able to beat any level but micros at Poker Stars and i think it has little to do with my skill and the reason I say this is because after 60K hands I can say that I never, NOT ONCE, hit a combination draw, and there were a few hundred hands where I actually had that hand in raised and re-raised pots...I never realized my full equity the entire time I played over the 60K hands

When I say combination draws, I am talking about situations where I was anywhere between 45 and 70% to win the hand, and the only ones I won where the ones villains folded

When I say never I mean it in the sense that I can't recall any in my mind, I am sure I did hit one or maybe two but I can guarantee it's less than a handful after 60K hands

Today was the last straw, I simply believe my equity is lost for good into the RNG and I feel like it's sucking odds out from under me

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with 4 5
1 fold, Hero raises, BTN 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop: (10 SB) 6 2 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, BTN raises, SB calls, Hero calls

Turn: (8 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets, SB calls, Hero calls

River: (11 BB) T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets, SB calls, Hero folds

In fact I stopped trying to use my FE...in this hand here I would definitely try and get 4 bets in on the flop...but all that does is cost me the chase equity, because it was clear that these hands wouldn't get there....the way I played this hand above means I'd have to go away from good poker...

I really believe that the only reason I win in Mtt's SNG's and cash is coz i can control the odds so much that the rng can't get me but in limit that's impossible

60K hands and full analysis coming...
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07-15-2010 , 11:52 PM
Why on earth would you start playing online LHE in July of 2010?
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