The sites don't give away 33% of their revenue.

The players who receive rakeback is a tiny proportion of players.

This.

Why don't you take a course in Basic Economics and stop embarrassing yourself by posting drivel like this.

It's particularly stupid because even if you took the view that the sites were rigging the deal to get more rake you spurious objection could still be mooted.

Well, I doubt the attitude, such as it is, is going to change.

So, don't let the door catch you on the way out.

It wouldn't make any difference if they were giving away 90% of the revenue.

If they have a business model where committing a certain proportion of their revenue - however high - to generating and keeping business and that model works that's all there is to it.

You wish.

Yes, it would be the triumph of optimism over experience to expect a loser who cannot take responsibility for his own inadequacy to behave in a logical manner and simply stop doing something he is evidently not capable of doing well.

And then posting whines about it.

no wai!

Seems to be a continuing trend.

I believe thte title of this thread directs such whines here. My question is what lures you to such a thread if you despise said whining?

Did I say I despised it?

In life one has to get used to little wusses that whine and whine trying to shift the blame for things that are basically their own fault.

I find it a little pathetic but sometimes the whines need to be answered so that passers by do not go away with the impression that said whines are in any way legitimate.

All I see is you whining about the whiners so go pinch your own ass.

Some things never change.

Well seems Amec has been having some sort of whine but I did notice from someone quoting him that he finally managed to spell my name right so I might have to unignore him at some stage.

List of reasons I haven't posted any data:
1. Spade already did a great job and got abused and called a liar
2. The quick look over the data I had confirmed Spade's data in that you were running a little below EV in the cash games
3. I had work projects to deal with
4. I have work to do on my post-grad degree
5. I have had the flu for the last 2 weeks
6. I have had to play WoW
7. I have had to play FF13
8. I have had to play BF:BC2
9. I have had to watch TV
10. I have had to watch paint dry

As you can see, the list of things more important to me that need doing before doing something for someone that has no class, no idea of respect, no idea of maths and (by all evidence so far) no clue is a fairly hectic one and even if it were just the last item on the list I'd still rather do that than anything for you.

I hounded you because of your actions and attitude with your first prop-bet, and I'll be honest that I didn't expect you to have hh's to give but you did so that raised you above a regular ****** at that stage. if your data had shown anything extraordinary then I'd have spent a lot more time on it but given Spade had already provided you with the same data I was going to and had copped nothing but abuse and bad-mouthing I don't really see the point to me giving a damn any more.

I've only got 2 people on ignore on 2+2 and that's Amec and Mumu, hell even pooflinger has not been ignored so I'm sure you can see how little I actually care about what you write and that won't change. If I see things quoted by either of you in this thread that I feel the need to respond to I will but other than that I will continue to laugh when I see 1/2 the posts on a page are all ignored.

Oh, and the only reason you got my email addy was because I pm'd you about it even after I mentioned twice in posts that if you were interested to pm me for my addy....I was not the one holding back from sending the message

Why is there a debate? It is already known by everybody that UB and Absolute were rigged. They were just so greedy...they got caught.

If sites aren't as greedy....they may never be caught.

The 1st internet poker site "Planet Poker" had their rng figured out by a guy who was in the computer business...just a guy on his PC......& they say they are unbreakable....google this info...it's there.


Why is it rigged....to make more money....greed....Bernie Madoff....look at the history of the world.

Biggest banks in USA....too greedy....recent history....just a fact...& the common folk bail them out so they can keep getting their yearly millions in bonuses. C'mon...it is a rigged game folks...just look at world history!

A player who plays live poker for 25 years and has 2 losing years.....because they really studied the game & worked at it might easily get slaughtered playing on the internet.

PokerStars....I will never play at that site again because I know it is rigged....& I could care less if people who think internet poker is on the up and up & think people are just whining & don't have the skill sets to win.

People are just angry because they had to play so many hands on the internet to take the luck out of the equation to see what the real deal was.

Also...I would bet many folks on these forums are just repping the internet companies.

Did anybody see 60 minutes? I'm sure you did. Did you see who were the overseers of internet poker that the sites brag about? 3 Indians in a little concrete building in Canada that answer to no one....LOL.

Do you folks know how easy it is for PokerStars to make more money than the rake & never get caught?

I'm sure others have lost several hands at that site playing NLHE. You will have KK & your opponent AK. There will be reraises preflop. The flop will be K-4-4 & your opponent will go all-in & of course you will call.

Then after runner runner 4's you will lose another $800 dollars.

Two hands later you will have AA & be reraised all-in preflop & you will call. The board will come 3-2-4-8-9 & your opponent will have 8-9 offsuit. There goes another $800!!!

Ten hands later that exact hand will happen to you again. And many times the "player" who wins that hand with 89...will leave the game right away & another will come in.

And shills...prop players, etc. are all over internet poker...they advertise for them.

And of course bots are out there. Data-mining companies that grab every hand at the sites and sell them...all sorts of other 3rd party programs out there doing their thing....jumping on the internet poker bandwagon.

Getting more money from the players...the house is making all the money folks!

If u are even in a fair game with players with your amount of skill...you will all lose over time because of the rake.

Some folks don't realize how much money they are giving to these sites in rake. If you play much....it quickly becomes thousands of dollars.

I use to live on the West Coast & play all 'live" poker....just sit with other folks & a dealer you can see...and play poker. The internet game has evolved to the point where it is nothing like "live" poker!

I don't which sites are rigged & which aren't.....but I know PokerStars is. And nope...don't have enough computer knowledge to put all the hands I have played there and do the math in this reply.

But I know some folks know what I'm talking about. The one's with a deep understanding of the game who have a very good record in "live" games.....but at PokerStars....you aren't even playing poker because your decisons do not matter....& they should...because that is what the game is about....making the right decisions.

You can do that playing over 500,000 hands at Stars & you can easily get slaughtered. People reraising all-in on the turn drawing to a 2-outer & bingo...bingo...bingo. You can get beat 5 hands in a row by people reraisng all-in with a 2-out draw to the river.

OK - I've had my say & some will think I don't know what I'm talking about & some will think I do know what I'm talking about.

The cards floating in from cyberspace can be anything the folks who make a fortune on this want them to be.

I can't think of the formula that Sklansky & Malmouth talked about in one of their early books....but it can be used to see if poker is fair over a certain number of hands.

And it is not at Stars*......but I know everybody has strong opinions about internet poker....which includes me now....& I am still a winner overall playing on the net...but not very much.

I hope a can save some readers here who have an open mind some cash....do not play at PokerStars....it will only bring you grief & misery....and for the folks who don't believe me or think I don't know what I'm talking about....I could care less.

I think it will be interesting to see if this post goes through or if it is edited if it does. I can't think of a reason why it would be.....I hope this forum just let's people speak their mind.

AND ALWAYS REMEMBER - CAVEAT EMPTOR - LET THE BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!

But how much did you lose?

Someone tell the captain he forgot to turn off the engines.

$1600?

about tree-fiddy

You are an absolute ... what the ... is this .... all about...

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This isn't to debate whether poker is rigged. You're in the wrong thread for that. Go to the "great poker is rigged debate" sticky if you want to defend or berate online poker.

IF online poker, or certain sites, were rigged, i surmise it is absolutely impossible to prove without concrete, technical, insider information.


It could done too randomly. One day cheat NLHE players beginning with the letter A, next day letter B...24 days later, move to Omaha players.
It could be done to cheat players just before they reach a milestone status or comp, retrieving said fund. Perhaps not even funneling money into a dummy account, simply delaying comp payments.
It could be done starting with the lowest limits and moving up.

It could stagger above methods. No anomaly or pattern could be detected from the outside.

The question: IF online poker were rigged, how could it possibly be proved?


Respond only to confer its impossibility or offer a legitimate possibility.

By beating you senseless and casting your entrails.

There is no such sticky.

That simply proves what a know-nothing waste of space you are.

It's already been stated many times that if the level of rigging was sufficiently low it would be impossible to detect. But if that was the case, of course, no one would notice anyway.

Of course, your rather fanciful scheme would almost certainly end up with people gaining from rigging one day what they had lost another.

It does sound like a rigtard topic.