TK, I think the main point is that it is completely non-controversial that there are botters out there and cheaters out there. So just posting a link advising of that fact doesn't add anything. If you're not going to make a greater point about them then there really isn't much to talk about.

the cards are so bad tonight it has to be rigged never seen any thing like it omfgggggggg

The greater point is, IF your all wrong. There are no repercussions, there are no pre-emtive measures for us as players, no consequences for the perpetrators. I've made plenty of points that get disregaurded. Rigged is Rigged. Whether it's an RNG or not. **** rolls down hill as well as security flaws.

I swear some of these rigtards are a few french fries short of a happy meal

Really? How?

You're right, it's a conspiracy against the winning players...we're just haters...

me: profitable (proven), not paranoid, not afraid of the interwebs, know when something really is suspicious and willing to look into it when there's reason to do so

tk, rigtards: paranoid, distracted, looking for monsters under the bed, suspicious of everything with or without cause

It's no way to go through life guys.

Very well could be, and that would be informative. I only did the specific things you asked for, but did them in a rigorous way.

Paranoia or awareness? You have yet to prove otherwise. Again bc there are 6 people that post in this thread consistantly along with you, doesn't mean you speak for the world.

Find a player who you suspect "knows the turn and river before it comes". Watch their play. See how often they get it in bad and how often they end up hitting ridiculous draws after senseless plays. Bring them down.

Is it really that difficult? When you see a guy playing like a moron who happens to get lucky in a pot, look up that guy's results. 9 times out of 10, that guy is a losing player. If not, investigate further until you're comfortable that the guy really can play winning poker, or you prove he's a cheater. This is how we rationally approach such a situation. We don't sit down in a game constantly worrying about getting cheated. We use real evidence to figure it out.

After 700,000 hands of online poker, I assure you if I'm anything I'm aware. I mean come on, get real here.

In your position you're going to believe what you believe and worry about what you worry about that's fine. In your position you shouldn't play. It's just stupid to do so. If I was that uncomfortable with something, I just wouldn't take part in it. There are people who are afraid to keep their money in a bank too and keep their cash under a mattress. To each their own. But stop laying your paranoia on the rest of us. That's exactly what it is and it's old and tired.

at least u posted the results even though they showed I ran horrid.

I'll say this again. When one of these rigged threads gets posted in the main forum, what is the nature of the vast majority of posts that get in before the merge? It's far more than 6 posters who share Nfuego's approach.

LoL...you're kidding right?

So prove to me that a poker site's "security/software specialist" doesn't pass on a code to hook into something as to what I'm accusing.

Here is one such thread from a few minutes ago: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...se-rng-738015/

The flaming is much worse. Those of us posting in here are the patient ones. Out in the rest of the forum rigged posts are hammered mercilessly. This is actually a safe harbor for riggies because 99% of 2+2 stays away. The rest of us got in here by following an old thread before the original merge or a new one that got merged, and we got stuck like Alice in the rabbit hole.

Look what happened when AMEC tried to start two new threads with his theories. It was brutal, and they ended up back in here.

Clearly 2100 votes isn't a large enough sample size to come to a fair concensus on what the public opinion is.

Over 800 voters vs 2000 disagree with Nfuego. Let's put this poll up in the Brick and Morter and NVG sections, then publicly display the vote/voters, I'm sure we'll see a diference.

More paranoia. Just don't play. You worry about so many things that don't exist that you probably wouldn't recognize a real problem if it was staring you in the face. And you continue the pattern of asking people to prove a negative.

Brilliant.

I'm amazed people are capable of thinking this way.

And it still wouldn't matter, either way.

People who disagree with me shouldn't play. They're completely paranoid, but they can't help that. They surely couldn't provide a scientific case that would show wrongdoing anywhere, because one doesn't exist. With all due respect, I'm not interested in the opinions of people who have no capability of approaching such a discussion rationally.

heh, bad example, It was locked within 23 minutes. Not enough time to generate any good flames!

Here's a better one.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ir-ilk-737911/

Honestly, I'm not so much worried about myself here. When I'm crushing games, I don't pull a donko muppet move that he pulled a few months ago(which is why I called him a puppet Bobo) and start saying it's not rigged b/c I'm winning. I've said it before I, and others, are not winning like we should(statistical expectation.) Whether that be ridiculous river cards or awful unfathemable calls that only somebody w/ superior capabilities could accomplish.

I think you're showing your misunderstanding of statistics again here.

2100 is much larger than the opinion polls that take place in newspapers and that dominate the political discussion in my country (and presumably, many oerhs).

It's not the sample size that matters (since that can be compensated with margins of error and the like) it is the method of collection and the questions asked that are far more important.
*EVEN IF* that were the case, whether or not the shuffle is fair is something that can be tested scientifically. It is not a matter of public opinion whether gravity exists. The speed of light is not a matter of public opinion. Those things - like the randomness of something - is something that can be tested and analysed scientifically.

played FT for 2 years.
had sick beats constantly
Plyaed PS for 6 months. iv had continuous profit and only had a 3 day period where i lost followed by a finished 2nd to get it back up.

every time i think i was just being silly about FT i return. within an hour i know why i moved to pokerstars and im back playing lol

in conculusion.
I have given up FTP forever and playing PS from now on

PS Carbon poker is also decent

Ahhh, good ole' Mr. G. If only all the riggies could be like him. He really brings the entertainment value! He's really in a class all by himself.