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The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

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03-02-2010 , 11:47 PM

#15626

cds0699

LOSING

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,018

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMEC0404

SHILL

Its true, I'm a shill for Pokerstars.

Last edited by cds0699; 03-02-2010 at 11:47 PM. Reason: countdown to boomswitch one time?

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03-02-2010 , 11:48 PM

#15627

AMEC0404

banned

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 875

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

I'm nervous about how you define 'proof'. I don't want this to be some angleshoot against me.

For instance, in 2-7 Triple Draw, a player cannot be dealt a card that they have been previously discarded in accordance with rule #25 at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/policies/

I don't believe such an instance should count as "proof that the RNG is manipulated, in any way whatsoever". What do you think?

There is no angleshoot. what kind of proof would convince you that it was rigged? You set the rules and then Ill either accept or decline

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03-02-2010 , 11:52 PM

#15628

AMEC0404

banned

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 875

dont sit there and say ull bet and then back out at the last minute bc ur afraid of an angleshoot.

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03-02-2010 , 11:57 PM

#15629

ubettercall

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 865

amec, you have to be the dumbest bastard ive ever seen on here.

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03-02-2010 , 11:58 PM

#15630

AMEC0404

banned

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 875

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubettercall

amec, you have to be the dumbest bastard ive ever seen on here.

u want the bet?

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03-02-2010 , 11:59 PM

#15631

Mitch Evans

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,633

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMEC0404

dont sit there and say ull bet and then back out at the last minute bc ur afraid of an angleshoot.

LOL you're such a joke. He wants to make sure you and your neanderthal buddies don't publish bunk and try to pass it off as legit. If the math is there, then it's there and can't be disputed. There needs to be some consensus between qualified people who analyzed the data; not your dumbass running below ev for 20K hands.

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03-02-2010 , 11:59 PM

#15632

arcticbeatle

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 676

^^ lol

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03-03-2010 , 12:00 AM

#15633

ubettercall

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 865

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMEC0404

u want the bet?

Not with some ignorant bastard like you. go back to grinding them .01/.02 nl games. ****ing douchebag. Im sure u have some bull**** figured out. chances are you will never go anywhere in life. ill keep working everyday so ur family can eat.

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03-03-2010 , 12:01 AM

#15634

Josem

human chemical weapon

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 18,196

I'm happy to take the bet and can figure out the details later tonight. I actually have other work to do right now. Can you wait a couple of hours?

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03-03-2010 , 12:05 AM

#15635

bakedgreen

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 354

one hundred dollars??

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03-03-2010 , 12:07 AM

#15636

5thStreetHog

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,687

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03-03-2010 , 12:07 AM

#15637

AMEC0404

banned

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 875

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

I'm happy to take the bet and can figure out the details later tonight. I actually have other work to do right now. Can you wait a couple of hours?

yup, hit me up when ready

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03-03-2010 , 12:10 AM

#15638

AMEC0404

banned

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 875

yup shills coming on here like crazy trying to derail the thread. nothing new, I expected it.

So, the original offer still stands. Any takers? Im going to bet Josem $100, and then I will take up to $100 on the offer in the original post. Cmon u pansies, grow a ****ing ballbag and put your money where your mouth is.

25 to 1.

$100

Here's your chance to back up your lies with money.

Its a free $100. take it. please.

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03-03-2010 , 12:13 AM

#15639

rizeagainst

banned

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,179

lol

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03-03-2010 , 12:14 AM

#15640

AMEC0404

banned

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 875

[ ] expected to get a legit offer on OP.

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03-03-2010 , 12:14 AM

#15641

spadebidder

Actually Shows Proof

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,905

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weevil99

The problem with that idea is that no matter how small you make your tweaks, it will still be detectable as the number of hands in your sample grows.

This.

It doesn't matter what the tweak is. If there is any "rule" applied consistently to rig the deal in a way that is relevant to poker hands, only a fairly small number of statistical tests need to be done to find it because only certain card patterns matter in poker. And when you measure the discrepancies in standard deviations they get bigger and bigger and bigger. In a few million poker hands there is no significantly profitable tweak that can be hidden from a statistical analysis. That's why I've offered $500 several times to anyone who can show how to do it. As Monteroy said, it's a rigged bet.

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03-03-2010 , 12:16 AM

#15642

Arouet

Carpal \'Tunnel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spadebidder

This.

It doesn't matter what the tweak is. If there is any "rule" applied consistently to rig the deal in a way that is relevant to poker hands, only a fairly small number of statistical tests need to be done to find it because only certain card patterns matter in poker. And when you measure the discrepancies in standard deviations they gets bigger and bigger and bigger. In a few million poker hands there is no significantly profitable tweak that can be hidden from a statistical analysis. That's why I've offered $500 several times to anyone who can do it. As Monteroy said, it's a rigged bet.

I'm sure pooflinger and BOP are just putting the finishing touches on their bid.

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03-03-2010 , 12:17 AM

#15643

cds0699

LOSING

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,018

No one is gonna bet with you because you'll just angle shoot it. Lets wait and see what Josem's rules are, if you agree to them then I may consider betting you.

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03-03-2010 , 12:23 AM

#15644

Mitch Evans

Pooh-Bah

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03-03-2010 , 12:24 AM

#15645

5thStreetHog

Carpal \'Tunnel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AMEC0404

Whether or not the online poker community accepts it has no baring on the bet. If the proof is there, I win, period.

This is fair. If the whole world says there wasnt proof its irrelevant. All that matters is what OP thinks, that makes sense.

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03-03-2010 , 12:25 AM

#15646

AMEC0404

banned

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 875

Quote:

Originally Posted by cds0699

No one is gonna bet with you because you'll just angle shoot it. Lets wait and see what Josem's rules are, if you agree to them then I may consider betting you.

How can I possibly angleshoot this anyways???? I'm paying UP FRONT!!!!! If anyone has angleshooting to worry about it is me.

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03-03-2010 , 12:26 AM

#15647

AMEC0404

banned

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 875

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog

This is fair. If the whole world says there wasnt proof its irrelevant. All that matters is what OP thinks, that makes sense.

go ahead and make the rules then pal, lets hear it

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03-03-2010 , 12:31 AM

#15648

AMEC0404

banned

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 875

OK, how about this. this is an offer you cannot refuse.

same rules as in OP, but you only pay me when you are personally convinced or the evidence is sooo entirely overwhelming that anyone in their right mind cannot possibly argue against the proof.

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03-03-2010 , 12:33 AM

#15649

5thStreetHog

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AMEC0404

go ahead and make the rules then pal, lets hear it

I dont really care to make any rules, you can discuss that with Josem. But obviously no one is ever going to bet with you if you make ridiculous statements like the one I quoted which basically said the rules were you win the bet no matter what happens.