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02-23-2010 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Xevoius
I wish the moderator would come in and just put a stop to this kind of dribble. It really dampens the atmosphere in this forum.

I am not sure who is worse, you or the snakecharmer guy.
Don't worry about Monteroy. He enjoys razzing people a bit (for the reaction, I think).

The nice thing about this thread is that there isn't a ton of moderation, so you're getting kind of the gamut of all views on the subject. Obviously we don't all agree on what is reasonable to say, but I don't think moderation (censorship) is going to help with seemingly largely diverging views like we have in this thread.

The same would go for a thread about UFO's. There will be roughly 4 groups of people.

1) I've seen a UFO, they exist.
2) I've never seen one, but I think they exist.
3) I've never seen one, and I doubt they exist.
4) You're a fool to think such a thing could exist because there's no proof.

or Religion

1) I've witnessed miracles, God exists.
2) I've not witnessed miracles, but I think God exists.
3) I've not witnessed miracles, and I doubt God exists.
4) You're a fool to think such a thing could exist because there's no proof.

I suppose that's why I also enjoy those topics as well. Both camps #1 and #4 are pretty much cemented into their positions and will not budge despite anyone else's "claims" of evidence. #4 will think #1 is being delusional or worse. #1 will think #4 is a part of "the system".

Those of us in the middle can get hate from either end for "being on the fence", but who cares? Sharing information is the goal here, not being the most popular.
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02-23-2010 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn
1) I've witnessed miracles, God exists.
2) I've not witnessed miracles, but I think God exists.
3) I've not witnessed miracles, and I doubt God exists.
4) You're a fool to think such a thing could exist because there's no proof.

I suppose that's why I also enjoy those topics as well. Both camps #1 and #4 are pretty much cemented into their positions and will not budge despite anyone else's "claims" of evidence. #4 will think #1 is being delusional or worse. #1 will think #4 is a part of "the system".

Those of us in the middle can get hate from either end for "being on the fence", but who cares? Sharing information is the goal here, not being the most popular.
Except that I don't think there are any #4s here. The regs are squarely #3.

If someone was to produce reliable evidence that a particular site was rigged, you would see a lot of support for it.
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02-23-2010 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn
Don't worry about Monteroy. He enjoys razzing people a bit (for the reaction, I think).

The nice thing about this thread is that there isn't a ton of moderation, so you're getting kind of the gamut of all views on the subject. Obviously we don't all agree on what is reasonable to say, but I don't think moderation (censorship) is going to help with seemingly largely diverging views like we have in this thread.

The same would go for a thread about UFO's. There will be roughly 4 groups of people.

1) I've seen a UFO, they exist.
2) I've never seen one, but I think they exist.
3) I've never seen one, and I doubt they exist.
4) You're a fool to think such a thing could exist because there's no proof.
Given that we are talking about UFO's of extraterrestrial origin you've missed out two groups:

5) Given that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial UFO's and the number of people who are looking for evidence of them there probably aren't any. You are foolish to state that they certainly exist if you have no evidence.

6) UFO's should be regulated by the US government.
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02-23-2010 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn
1) I've seen a UFO, they exist.
2) I've never seen one, but I think they exist.
3) I've never seen one, and I doubt they exist.
4) You're a fool to think such a thing could exist because there's no proof.

or Religion

1) I've witnessed miracles, God exists.
2) I've not witnessed miracles, but I think God exists.
3) I've not witnessed miracles, and I doubt God exists.
4) You're a fool to think such a thing could exist because there's no proof.
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Except that I don't think there are any #4s here. The regs are squarely #3.

If someone was to produce reliable evidence that a particular site was rigged, you would see a lot of support for it.
You've also left out number zero (pun intended).

0) I see lots of things that my ignorance makes me believe are miracles, therefore God absolutely exists and you're a fool to think otherwise.
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02-23-2010 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
Given that we are talking about UFO's of extraterrestrial origin you've missed out two groups:

5) Given that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial UFO's and the number of people who are looking for evidence of them there probably aren't any. You are foolish to state that they certainly exist if you have no evidence.

6) UFO's should be regulated by the US government.
Once in a while qpw can produce some work that does make me genuinely laugh, so props for that post.


Quote:
Originally Posted by smithcommajohn
Don't worry about Monteroy. He enjoys razzing people a bit (for the reaction, I think).

The nice thing about this thread is that there isn't a ton of moderation, so you're getting kind of the gamut of all views on the subject. Obviously we don't all agree on what is reasonable to say, but I don't think moderation (censorship) is going to help with seemingly largely diverging views like we have in this thread.

The same would go for a thread about UFO's. There will be roughly 4 groups of people.

1) I've seen a UFO, they exist.
2) I've never seen one, but I think they exist.
3) I've never seen one, and I doubt they exist.
4) You're a fool to think such a thing could exist because there's no proof.

or Religion

1) I've witnessed miracles, God exists.
2) I've not witnessed miracles, but I think God exists.
3) I've not witnessed miracles, and I doubt God exists.
4) You're a fool to think such a thing could exist because there's no proof.

I suppose that's why I also enjoy those topics as well. Both camps #1 and #4 are pretty much cemented into their positions and will not budge despite anyone else's "claims" of evidence. #4 will think #1 is being delusional or worse. #1 will think #4 is a part of "the system".

Those of us in the middle can get hate from either end for "being on the fence", but who cares? Sharing information is the goal here, not being the most popular.
Sometimes I mess with people for reactions, but realistically these new fake riggie gimmicks I just respond to expose them as quickly as possible so we can make room for genuine riggies. Why waste time with a guy doing a sweet "someone help me, gee look at this site" shill routine when perhaps there is a genuine superbot style riggie waiting in the wings.


Regarding you list, almost zero 4s and tons of 3s and a whole lot of 2s who think they are actually 1s, and as I have said before this thread is essentially a 9/11 / UFO/ Lizard People/ New World Order light thread which is part of the fun. The real threads like that are no fun at all.

All the fake riggies and gimmicks/trolls like Xev and snake are ruining the fun for everyone though, which congrats them if that is their goal (and it is for one of them at least).
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02-23-2010 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
6) UFO's should be regulated by the US government.
wp sir, wp
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02-23-2010 , 03:31 PM
Very reliable and trustworthy *something* to this site, told me at a WPT event about the **** that goes on in this thread. We have 2 people using about 7 user names? You are not die hard poker players that are offended about people undermining your success. I will no longer be posting in this thread or on this site. That is not good for business or online poker. Feel free to delete my user name.

Last edited by tk1133; 02-23-2010 at 03:40 PM. Reason: Well played. This site was for poker players some time ago. I won't even mention the "poll"
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02-23-2010 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Very reliable and trustworthy *something* to this site, told me at a WPT event about the **** that goes on in this thread. We have 2 people using about 7 user names? You are not die hard poker players that are offended about people undermining your success. I will no longer be posting in this thread or on this site. That is not good for business or online poker. Feel free to delete my user name.
Wait...there are gimmicks in this thread?
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02-23-2010 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Very reliable and trustworthy *something* to this site, told me at a WPT event about the **** that goes on in this thread. We have 2 people using about 7 user names? You are not die hard poker players that are offended about people undermining your success. I will no longer be posting in this thread or on this site. That is not good for business or online poker. Feel free to delete my user name.
Why be cryptic? Name names! Especially if you are planning on leaving the site (need to post in the ban me ban me thread for that, IMO)
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02-23-2010 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Why be cryptic? Name names! Especially if you are planning on leaving the site (need to post in the ban me ban me thread for that, IMO)
My IP address as well as my geographical location, ect, ect. No need to act like some whistleblower. On my way to the ban me thread...

Last edited by tk1133; 02-23-2010 at 03:59 PM. Reason: But you woulda kept you're mouth shut if you knew you were sittin w/ tk1133...
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02-23-2010 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Ironically, any genuine newcomer is hurt much more by the flood of gimmicks/trolls/fake riggies than the "established clique" if they are actually looking for guidance/discussion.

My assumption is you are a fake riggie as well, so if you are actually a real riggie then you now know who to blame for that misconception.

All the best.
You make an assumption, you have a misconception, but you are coy about who's to blame.
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02-23-2010 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Very reliable and trustworthy *something* to this site, told me at a WPT event about the **** that goes on in this thread.
Wat?

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We have 2 people using about 7 user names?
Well, Snakecharmer has admitted to numerous gimmicks and Steven Mears has certainly used several.

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I will no longer be posting in this thread or on this site.
Well, not under the name 'tk1133', anyway.
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02-23-2010 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
My IP address as well as my geographical location, ect, ect.
Wat?

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But you woulda kept you're mouth shut if you knew you were sittin w/ tk1133...
Wat?

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02-23-2010 , 04:15 PM
[quote=qpw;17033034][quote=tk1133;17032643]My IP address as well as my geographical location, ect, ect.
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Wat?



Wat?
I can't follow any of that either? Was he saying he was one of the one's with 7 accounts?
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02-23-2010 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
Wat?



Well, Snakecharmer has admitted to numerous gimmicks and Steven Mears has certainly used several.



Well, not under the name 'tk1133', anyway.
Ummm no I admitted to having numerous accounts that have been banned one at a time. I have never had more than one at a time. Ask any mod.
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02-23-2010 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Ummm no I admitted to having numerous accounts that have been banned one at a time. I have never had more than one at a time. Ask any mod.
Why do you keep getting banned?
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02-23-2010 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
I can't follow any of that either? Was he saying he was one of the one's with 7 accounts?
Dunno.

I must say, I'm going to miss the little guy. He wasn't particularly obnoxious, definitely had a snes of humour and could be entertaining.

No doubt he'll be back soon enough, though, with a shiny new gimmick account.
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02-23-2010 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Feel free to delete my user name.
Dont do it dont do it. Where are we going to get all our insider information.
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02-23-2010 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Why do you keep getting banned?
You really need to ask?

This latest incarnation is how he behaves now he's got his act as together as he can manage.

Imagine what the banned accounts must have been like.
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02-23-2010 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
My IP address as well as my geographical location, ect, ect. No need to act like some whistleblower. On my way to the ban me thread...
wuss
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02-23-2010 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
Dunno.

I must say, I'm going to miss the little guy. He wasn't particularly obnoxious, definitely had a snes of humour and could be entertaining.

No doubt he'll be back soon enough, though, with a shiny new gimmick account.
This. Tk, just lay low for a bit, no need to ban yourself!
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02-23-2010 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
You really need to ask?

This latest incarnation is how he behaves now he's got his act as together as he can manage.

Imagine what the banned accounts must have been like.
I was hoping for some conspiracy theory type response from him.
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02-23-2010 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Conspiracy theory per request:

2+2 is on the poker site payroll. Therefor the moderators are not here to moderate but to impose the wants and needs of the sites. Which is why you see them act the way they do. When I point it out to them, I get banned. When I go against their opinions, I get banned. When I go against anything that is popular belief on this site, I get banned. 2+2 is like getting your news from CNN.
Please post the names of your previous gimmicks. Thanks.
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02-23-2010 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Please post the names of your previous gimmicks. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Apparently lives an empty life, as he keeps creating new troll accounts. You might recognize some of them:

Rupert Pumpkin
I love poker
IH8TENITS
LaylaLikesViolence
Riesdale89
IluvEveryone
Juk iz a hypocrite
MODDERSCRY2MOMMY
Ur Mom is a troll

And there's lots more. He seems to have a lot of anger over many issues.
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02-23-2010 , 05:24 PM
Thanks Spade, missed that.
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