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Old 04-01-2009, 11:43 PM   #1151
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Re: Friend of Mine used to work for FTP

mike haven was programmed to make this thread more suspenseful. I'm not saying he's rigged necessarily. I do not have all the details admittedly and really don't understand the technical jargon, but gtpitch will be along shortly to fill in missing parts.
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:12 AM   #1152
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OP needs to go to 60 minutes and give them his evidence so they can make another documentary and re-expose the evil online poker sites. this stuff qualifies as very credible to those wankers.
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:36 AM   #1153
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He's only banned for two days. Keeps the suspense going, imo.
[ ] Not playing on FTP for the next two days.
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:51 AM   #1154
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Take this bull**** to NVG where the rest of the tards roam IMO



ummm, please don't.
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:07 AM   #1155
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I cant even begin to repeat the technical stuff he said. Bunch of programming lingo. He was high level in operations there. Although he did end up leaving abruptly over some kind of problem with management. He basically told me that ....yes it is rigged, the random deal is is set up b4 hand to make certain players win. Not on ALL hands, but on certain hands. He also mentioned something about people that work for FTP playing on the site. Mostly Med. levels. They can see hole cards too. Maybe ill get him to post here tomorrow.

BTW...not an april fools thing if thats what youre thinking
Lol, this is absurd. If you want to damage the site you need to come up with better stuff. FT is a multi-billion dollar company the integrity of their games is important to them. The type of systemic cheating you describe doesn't exist. They have too much to lose.

If I were them I would sue you based on your posts.

Sure cheating takes place on all sites. However, at the major sites, worth billion of dollars, management has too much to lose to risk the integrity of their games.

They were probably right to fire you, or did you just lose all your money playing there?

Two plus two please ban unless you can verify some of his "facts".
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:21 AM   #1156
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Lol, this is absurd. If you want to damage the site you need to come up with better stuff. FT is a multi-billion dollar company the integrity of their games is important to them. The type of systemic cheating you describe doesn't exist. They have too much to lose.

If I were them I would sue you based on your posts.

Sure cheating takes place on all sites. However, at the major sites, worth billion of dollars, management has too much to lose to risk the integrity of their games.

They were probably right to fire you, or did you just lose all your money playing there?

Two plus two please ban unless you can verify some of his "facts".
I agree with everything ^

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Old 04-02-2009, 01:57 AM   #1157
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When entraction was still known as B2B I went looking for info about the site. Googled B2B and on the 3rd or 4th result it was a page openly admitting their soft ware was designed specificley so all the players were dealt a good hand, I came to the conclusion that they must be speaking metophoricly. I went looking for this page after ub scandel but it had disappeared. Ask peple who played here a few years ago the flpos were unreal. Any I also want to say it is the people who "shoot down the online poker is rigged" posters with the same arguments every time that are the non questioning sheep. The truth will come out but I'd imagine the sites are tidying up their acts now because of the recent exposures.
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:59 AM   #1158
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Ask peple who played here a few years ago the flpos were unreal. Any I also want to say it is the people who "shoot down the online poker is rigged" posters with the same arguments every time that are the non questioning sheep. The truth will come out but I'd imagine the sites are tidying up their acts now because of the recent exposures.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:03 AM   #1159
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i really think the intellectual level on this board is far lower than that of regular society
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:07 AM   #1160
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thought this was common knowledge
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:10 AM   #1161
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In terms of IQ

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Old 04-02-2009, 02:12 AM   #1162
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ummmmm scottty gimmick account, hi.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:15 AM   #1163
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YEA LOL....Im sure you were LOLing during time of absolute/UB scandal. I'll admit I dont have the facts. Im just relaying the information I was told, from a friend of mine I known for 20+years. Who has worked for FTP for about 4 years. Who has extensive programming knowledge, and management experience over at FTP. Also, he is not the type to april fools joke anyone. He basically said, be ready to have this be blown wide open in a very short time. Laugh now. But, from now on I will play only on STARS. If I choose to play at all.
Some friend. Why did he wait so long to tell you?
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:18 AM   #1164
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When entraction was still known as B2B I went looking for info about the site. Googled B2B and on the 3rd or 4th result it was a page openly admitting their soft ware was designed specificley so all the players were dealt a good hand, I came to the conclusion that they must be speaking metophoricly. I went looking for this page after ub scandel but it had disappeared. Ask peple who played here a few years ago the flpos were unreal. Any I also want to say it is the people who "shoot down the online poker is rigged" posters with the same arguments every time that are the non questioning sheep. The truth will come out but I'd imagine the sites are tidying up their acts now because of the recent exposures.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:22 AM   #1165
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Some friend. Why did he wait so long to tell you?

Hahaha THIS.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:22 AM   #1166
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another thing, he mentioned is that they have caught numerous users with a program that can see hole cards. They did however confiscate their money for cheating, but he also siad there is a possibility of 1000s more having this program. and there is not much they can do about it now.
this is the only part that could have any merit and it has nothing to do with ftp, but rather with people infecting a specific other with a trojan
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:22 AM   #1167
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people that work for gambling institutions are notoriously in the dark/foolish. I remember I used to grind the 15 30 at HP and half the dealers played the game, lost it all (probably at 5x the rate of their wage) , and thought they knew what was up because they worked there.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:32 AM   #1168
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people that work for gambling institutions are notoriously in the dark/foolish. I remember I used to grind the 15 30 at HP and half the dealers played the game, lost it all (probably at 5x the rate of their wage) , and thought they knew what was up because they worked there.
not if they are in the programing side of things. they would have to know everything to do their job.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:34 AM   #1169
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It wouldn't make sense for Howard Lederer and his compadres to know this is happening (which would be obvious, especially if your friend knows about it, it would be assumed that the big wigs obviously know about this).

1. Lederer's a member of the PPA. If he's pushing to legalize poker, it would mean that there would be heavier oversight and regulation on online card rooms. Once that happens, any and all card rooms who're supposedly "rigged" would not only be shut down, but the owners would have hell to pay, including - but not limited to - innumerable amounts of moniez as well as heavy time in the bink.

2. Why in the blue hell would Lederer want to risk that? If anything, Lederer wouldn't be spearheading the PPA's agenda in order to risk getting "exposed". That's just a dumb azz move. Period. He's a) A CEO and b) A winning poker player. This means he's not dumb. (Notice I said winning poker player... many poker players *cough* ARE dumb.)

3. I hope your friend is willing to go the distance in exposing FTP. He should probably call a journalist/lawyer... even if he finds someone to act as an accomplice in bringing this to light, he's a SEEEEEEEEEERIOUS underdog going against big money.

4. Your friend is just doing what a friend should do. You're probably already a losing player, therefore are most likely of the order that preaches "riggedness" and why your expert play never gets rewarded. Well hey, when someone's losing in an area of aspirations, what good friend would tell you that you just weren't cut out for it? "Yeah man, those refs were calling bs all day homie, allllllll day. Otherwise you would've been shooting better than 21% from the 3-point tonight." Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

5. "Donking off" $75 because of what a friend of yours told you tells me more about your level of intelligence than anything else you wrote about.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:41 AM   #1170
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one thing i dont understand is how some people on here think that comparing the thought of an online poker site be rigged or something of the possibility of someone having a program to see other players hole cards gets compared to conspiracy theories and aliens and other weird ****.

i don't know if people just don't want to believe it or they are just that naive. first of all you are dealing with computer programs that can be hacked. there is no program that is 100% hack proof. also to say that these companies don't do certain things to increase their bottom line is pretty much ridiculous IMO

even if these companies are all on the up and up there are surely people out there manipulating their software. that is just a fact, there is too much money to be made doing it.

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Old 04-02-2009, 02:48 AM   #1171
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YEA LOL....Im sure you were LOLing during time of absolute/UB scandal. I'll admit I dont have the facts. Im just relaying the information I was told, from a friend of mine I known for 20+years. Who has worked for FTP for about 4 years. Who has extensive programming knowledge, and management experience over at FTP. Also, he is not the type to april fools joke anyone. He basically said, be ready to have this be blown wide open in a very short time. Laugh now. But, from now on I will play only on STARS. If I choose to play at all.
LOL. So you know this dude for more than 20 years, and he worked at FTP for 4 years. He now says it's rigged, yet he happily let you play at FT during those four years...? Nice friend.

Option A: Friend is playing a joke on you. Option B: Friend got fired and is disgruntled.

Reply A: "Dude, he found out about the rigging and quit. Had he known about it, he would have said something earlier." Reply B: See reply A.

Reality: You done just suck at poker and lying, too.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:54 AM   #1172
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one thing i dont understand is how some people on here think that comparing the thought of an online poker site be rigged or something of the possibility of someone having a program to see other players hole cards gets compared to conspiracy theories and aliens and other weird ****.

i don't know if people just don't want to believe it or they are just that naive. first of all you are dealing with computer programs that can be hacked. there is no program that is 100% hack proof. also to say that these companies don't do certain things to increase their bottom line is pretty much ridiculous IMO
It's not that companies aren't willing to compromise integrity in order to increase profit, it's just that - given the information we DO have to work with - it's just not likely.

In my opinion, the ONLY statement that I would see as a possibility is the situation where players would have a software that would allow them to tap into other player's hole cards. In such case, it's really up to players to be able to keep on their toes and keep aware of collusion/superusers, etc. Well, not really only up to players obviously... but if someone's calling your 3 barrel bluff on an AKT9J board and you're holding a pair of 88s and he just paired his 9, then yeah...

Stating that it's highly probable that a poker software is exploitable is one thing... stating that a particular online card room is outright cheating and skimming money off of regular customers is a WHOOOOOLE nother topic. Better be prepared to bring some intensely credible evidence and be willing to face a load of scrutiny if you're stating the latter.
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:18 AM   #1173
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It's not that companies aren't willing to compromise integrity in order to increase profit, it's just that - given the information we DO have to work with - it's just not likely.

In my opinion, the ONLY statement that I would see as a possibility is the situation where players would have a software that would allow them to tap into other player's hole cards. In such case, it's really up to players to be able to keep on their toes and keep aware of collusion/superusers, etc. Well, not really only up to players obviously... but if someone's calling your 3 barrel bluff on an AKT9J board and you're holding a pair of 88s and he just paired his 9, then yeah...

Stating that it's highly probable that a poker software is exploitable is one thing... stating that a particular online card room is outright cheating and skimming money off of regular customers is a WHOOOOOLE nother topic. Better be prepared to bring some intensely credible evidence and be willing to face a load of scrutiny if you're stating the latter.
can i prove it? no

do i think it exists? yes

where there is gambling there is greed, where there is greed there is cheating.
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:24 AM   #1174
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I started at full tilt , name is worldpx1 with 450 bucks and am up 35k net, 45k surely after paying rake.

450 into 45,000.. they must not be screwing my hole cards up!! but i do worry about players teamworking tables alot and want to know what kind of security full tilt etc really have to detect this??

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Old 04-02-2009, 03:28 AM   #1175
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can i prove it? no

do i think it exists? yes

where there is gambling there is greed, where there is greed there is cheating.
and where you find a rigtard you find a loser.
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