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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes 3,445 34.94%
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Undecided 893 9.06%
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:05 AM   #10326
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re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

I just wanted to announce that I went to a live casino and fell in love w/ dice. I have found a reputable company that offers live craps games from my own home! I can play VIA telephone or for VIPS such as myself, through instant messenger. I am down 200 dollars but I've educated myself on varience and downswings, so im confident I'll be up 800 dollars by the end of the week....
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:10 AM   #10327
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I've educated myself on varience and downswings, so im confident I'll be up 800 dollars by the end of the week....
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Old 11-10-2009, 12:43 PM   #10328
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I just wanted to announce that I went to a live casino and fell in love w/ dice. I have found a reputable company that offers live craps games from my own home! I can play VIA telephone or for VIPS such as myself, through instant messenger. I am down 200 dollars but I've educated myself on varience and downswings, so im confident I'll be up 800 dollars by the end of the week....
This sarcasm would work a whole lot better if the fundamentals of dice (where the house edge forces all players to lose long term) worked the same as poker (where players with an edge can make money).

The rake of the game is a factor, but a better way to look at it is this.

Good players in poker are the casino, bad players are the guys who play dice in the casino. Long term the good players/casino will win.

No rigging needed for this process, just mathematics.

You are and always will be one of the dice players though.

All the best.
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Old 11-10-2009, 12:51 PM   #10329
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37% of people think the online poker is rigged in the poll. Thats a large number dont you think?
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Old 11-10-2009, 01:05 PM   #10330
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37% of people think the online poker is rigged in the poll. Thats a large number dont you think?
Spade can give whatever the proper statistical bias term is for this, but those results are representative of the population that actively clicked on a big rigged thread which likely includes considerably more riggedologists as a percentage than the regular public or regular online poker playing customer base.

Ask people who pay to attend rodeos if rodeos are important and you will get a much higher yes percentage than if that same poll was conducted here for instance. Does it mean much? Who knows - I guess that would prove that people who go to rodeos think they matter.
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Old 11-10-2009, 01:28 PM   #10331
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so i dont get it. do you think that you are playing bots purposely put in there by FT, or that they are singling you out, or perhaps the player you are up against is seeing different cards than you and you guys are both losing and FT keeps all the money for themselves?

and most importantly, do you wear a tin foil hat to bed?
No, he is saying that there is an FT employee working a joystick like he is playing Pacman. Just gobbling up his expected winrate and bankroll like they are little wafers.
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Old 11-10-2009, 01:34 PM   #10332
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Is the Main Event rigged since Cada shouldve lost atleast 5 times just at the final table?
Yes, there is the spiritual element. Demons rig live games. Sometimes the Angels get sick of it and come down to play tug of war with how the cards fall, but mostly, they dont waste their time on Holdem, they have better things to be doing with their time...
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Old 11-10-2009, 01:37 PM   #10333
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37% of people think the online poker is rigged in the poll. Thats a large number dont you think?
Think of how stupid the average person is, then realize that approximately half of the world is dumber than that.......
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Old 11-10-2009, 01:40 PM   #10334
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37% of people think the online poker is rigged in the poll. Thats a large number dont you think?
50% of people are of below average* intelligence, so, no, not really.


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Old 11-10-2009, 01:54 PM   #10335
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Spade can give whatever the proper statistical bias term is for this, but those results are representative of the population that actively clicked on a big rigged thread which likely includes considerably more riggedologists as a percentage than the regular public or regular online poker playing customer base.

Ask people who pay to attend rodeos if rodeos are important and you will get a much higher yes percentage than if that same poll was conducted here for instance. Does it mean much? Who knows - I guess that would prove that people who go to rodeos think they matter.
Serious?

Actually I wrote the post just to watch you fastly explaing it.....lol
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:03 PM   #10336
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Spade can give whatever the proper statistical bias term is for this, but those results are representative of the population that actively clicked on a big rigged thread [and chose to vote in a rigged poll, and think they have enough information to answer the question affirmatively]
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:43 PM   #10337
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Serious?

Actually I wrote the post just to watch you fastly explaing it.....lol
That's so cool that you described what you expected only after it happened. You also laugh at your own jokes - congrats. Next you can pick last Sunday's football games to better show off that new prediction based talent of yours.

My post was more to find out the statistical term that applied to the situation, which spade answered. As expected he "fastly explaing it."
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Old 11-10-2009, 03:45 PM   #10338
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Serious?
That's the problem with rigtards.

You can never tell if it's their native stupidity exhibiting itself or whether they are making some attempt at being funny.

Of course there are usually more laughs to be had in the former case.
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Old 11-10-2009, 05:05 PM   #10339
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so i dont get it. do you think that you are playing bots purposely put in there by FT, or that they are singling you out, or perhaps the player you are up against is seeing different cards than you and you guys are both losing and FT keeps all the money for themselves?

and most importantly, do you wear a tin foil hat to bed?
WTF? You have to to wear them while you're sleeping?!...2 years...all that public ridicule...for nothing...

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That's the problem with rigtards.

You can never tell if it's their native stupidity exhibiting itself or whether they are making some attempt at being funny.

Of course there are usually more laughs to be had in the former case.

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Old 11-11-2009, 01:00 AM   #10340
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At what point?

Does the public finally say, ok, online poker, you CANNOT cheat the public anymore?
At what point, do we FORCE these criminals to take a proper audit of shuffle, hand results etc etc?

Online poker has been untouchable for years. Let's MAKE them accountable.

I want to be able to get dealt KK on the button, and raise, and NOT see one of the blinds have a crap ace that flops trips. I want to be able to raise the button with KK, and EVERYBODY BEHIND ME FOLDS.

Yeah, right.
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:02 AM   #10341
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Yeah! I dont want action when I have KK on the button!

My other hobby involves taking money and lighting it on fire for heat.
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:10 AM   #10342
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I want to be able to get dealt KK on the button, and raise, and NOT see one of the blinds have a crap ace that flops trips. I want to be able to raise the button with KK, and EVERYBODY BEHIND ME FOLDS.
Why wait for KK.... can't you steal the blinds w/72o oh and move up to where they respect your raises.
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:12 AM   #10343
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IN b4 move/merge.
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:18 AM   #10344
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When/where does the march begin?
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:37 AM   #10345
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I am fully behind this.
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Old 11-11-2009, 01:50 AM   #10346
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LOL I so love these threads for entertainment value alone they are hard to beat.
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Old 11-11-2009, 02:04 AM   #10347
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I think the million rigtard march is scheduled for next Spring. Followed by the PANAMERICAN STRIKE FORCE launching to take over the servers on the Isle of Mann.
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Old 11-11-2009, 02:05 AM   #10348
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This is OP's first post, he signed up on this froum to spew a bunch of crap
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Old 11-11-2009, 02:07 AM   #10349
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WTF? You have to to wear them while you're sleeping?!...2 years...all that public ridicule...for nothing...
Best thing to happen in this thread for days. Thank you.

Ooooh, I've got another thread to merge in...
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Old 11-11-2009, 03:18 AM   #10350
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So you think you get lots of action with KK on the button with only two behind you? Where do you play? Must be online.
The only action I get from KK online is a ****ing trip to the sidelines. Or AQ or AK you know the global "playable" hands they talk about.
In fact, I got KK today with my small stack, and was SO CONFIDENT, I told the whole table, here is where I go out BEFORE I MADE ANY BETS, and I got two callers, both with an ace, and youll NEVER EVER guess what the VERY FIRST CARD FLOPPED WAS? You seem bright, Ill give you three guesses.

You sit, you wait, you get shoved by AK while you hold AA. So, like, I should fold AA, I dont want a lot of action with AA, right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You need to see the peripheral hands, not just your own. You need to wonder why, oh why can I sit here and watch A7 garbage suckout over and over again for ANY donkey who plays it, but I wait for AQ someone has either AK or a pocket pair?

Hmmmm? Seems to me like they pile the good hands together TO GENERATE MORE RAKE PERHAPS, lol.

Oh my god, why would this big giant humongous company cheat its too big a risk. Geez, I dunno. Let's ask Russ Hamilton his opinion? I mean I can see where he would feel uncomfortable in tweaking his software a little bit, seeing the massive fine Absolute was given for CHEATING THE PUBLIC.

Anyhow, whatever. The more people that stand up to these CRIMINALS, the better chance we have of getting a FAIR DEAL ONLINE.

And no, I dont know how to play so save it.
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