Hello all;
BEWARE; I'm mad, real mad, real real mad. The following is my opinion only, all are welcome to comment or correct. But there will be a good chance, you will never change my thinking on the following; In brief first;
To begin with, check the below thread, I'm certain many would recognize the thread, because I see some of the same names at this thread.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...7-grand-41524/
It appears a lawsuit as been filed, plus included within the lawsuit. Full Tilt is accused with using BOTs to increase the luck factor on the poker site, in order to make more money. The below link will take you to the site.
http://www.bankrollmob.com/poker-new...ull-tilt-poker
Below is a layout of the lawsuit.
http://pokerati.com/2009/10/04/re-ye..****ase-summary/
What makes me real, real, mad as follows;
I don't believe using a BOTs is cheating. It's just software, if you sat at your computer and while playing. Used your calculator to assist and calculate the odds, is this cheating??? If it was a software calculator on your computer is this cheating??? Full Tilt uses software, why can't I ???
One answer could be is, "Full Tilt software is for service, while a BOT is used beat other players." A very quick similarity, what if your bank said, "We seized your account, reason you use a spreadsheet to check your online account."
Full Tilt doesn't tell anybody, they prowl your computer looking for BOTs. What about the personal info they steal and sell? Is that why I uses too get all those phone calls by people looking to sell you some kind of scam? I said uses too, not anymore, I got rid of them. When I got a call, I would wait seconds to listen to the speel, how I'm missing the opportunity of getting rich in the next 10 days. Then I would say, "What's your credit card number." The reply would be, "Hmm, what you want my credit card number for." My answer, "It cost money to talk to me." Funny, I soon quit getting them calls.
I believe it is discriminatory, what Full Tilt is doing. I stated I used a BOT, a few posting ago. I used it on Full Tilt also. I paid good money for it, and the real joke is, I never made enough to cover the license. The only value I got from it was I would watch it play, I got more than the buy price in value from by learning some of the tricks and moves it made. Oh yes it even bluffed a few hands and it did a good job. Sometimes I would grab the control away from it, because it was going to fold a hand I figure should be played. Yes and I sure learned how to buy more chips fast.
What if you where at my place, and I said, "Hey play a few hands for me, I got go and get rid of the beer." Would this be cheating? If this happen, they may seize my account.
Full Tilt has a profile on your skills and your method of play. If you use a BOT or a buddy, the style of playing changes. This could be detectable by the software used by Full Tilt, therefore foiling up their cheating plans.
What makes me real mad;
The poor lady has to take them to court to get her money. It appears, they can do what they like, because you clicked on the "I agree" button. If you won a large tournament, you would want to get the money home as fast as you can. Any reason they could find, they could lockup your winning. Is this fair? What about all the legal fee. One person in the comments said, which I figured was a good comment and is somewhat of this nature, "Does this mean (Seizing of the account) Full Tilt is going to refund all players who lost money, because of the BOT?" Another good question.
What makes me mad;
Full Tilt, these outlaws feel they can just take advantage of everyone.
Now for revenge;
Paste below is an email sent to
support@fulltiltpoker.com all text is in place but I have *** my name etc. During the period I was playing for money on Full Tilt. I emailed support several times, questioning their software on the possibility of it being rig. They answered and went into detail why it was not, this was part of this email but because of the length I cut it short.
I sent them a copy from my arsenal of Bob Smith, looking for a comment on it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "***** ******" <****@****.***>
To: "Full Tilt Poker - Support" <support@fulltiltpoker.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Full Tilt Poker - Your Email (KMM13887775I15977L0KM)
> How honest is your software??????
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> Found at
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http://rounding.wordpress.com/2008/0.../#comment-1226
> pasted to
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http://www.pokerlistings.com/possibl...lt-poker-21428
> these sites have considerable information about being scammed at full
> tilt.
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> on December 29, 2008 at 5:31 pm Bob Smith
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> Their are many folk out there arguing about if online poker is rigged or
> not.I wold like to help put this to rest by stating that it is rigged in
> many different ways. i helped write some of the software for tiltware
> LLC.while working on the fulltilt site some of the other programmers and i
> were asked to install programming into the software that would recognize
> certain players and provide them with unbeatable hands. we were also asked
> to develope software that would provide what they called the"maximum
> oppurtunity to bet" which meant that the deals are rigged to deal out alot
> of good starting hands to alot of players so that the most betting
> possible would take place on every deal. The deal would then provide a
> monster flop in which atleast two players would be all in before the
> river.(ever wonder why nobody ever misses the flop online.because then no
> one would bet and that is not what fulltilt wants) This keeps the tourneys
> fast paced and exciting which players love. Fulltilt loves this too, the
> faster you lose the faster they can make more money off you by having
> enter another tourney.
> There is also another way fulltilt cheats you out of cash with their own
> personal players. These players are called house players and are fulltime
> employees of the Fulltilt compnay. If you check some names and their
> online wins vs. loss records you will often find them with records that
> are simply unreal. I have seen some of these folks who win over 50
> straight sessions without a loss.how can this be possible unless they are
> working on the inside. They come and go and change their names often but
> they play in the site with the full adavantage of being able to see all
> the cards in play and in the deck.
> Another programming trick we wrote into the software at fulltilt is the
> levels trick.this trick takes place when a tournament has been running
> after the first break. The computer recognizes the different size of each
> players chip stack and begins to deal out hands in which a small stack
> will shove all in and a large stack will have a better hand to call with.
> Have you ever wondered why you get pocekt QQs with 1500 chips and the guy
> next to you gets pockets KKs and he has 10,000 chips? The answer is simple
> the site is programmed to get you to play as much as possible. So we
> programmed the site to eliminate the small stack as quickly as possible so
> that they can go enter another tourney asap. The site is even prgrammed to
> adjust the flop for big stacks so that even if the big stack calls your
> hand with nothing he will end up beating your good made hand by the river.
> Often times the site will deal you back to back hands with the same cards
> but maybe different colors or suits..this "glitch" is a sign that the
> computer is adjusting the shuffle to start elimnting small stacks and
> allow the tourney to finish quicker.
> The sooner a tournament is done the faster fulltilt can have you back at
> another table spending more money.it is to this sites best interested to
> eliminate you from tables as fast as possbile. There is no one to regulate
> how the company manipulates the software to thier own advantage. There is
> no one to monitor how the company pays out its players and employees.
> Simply put, giving some offshore account your hard earned cash is simply
> insane. Thinking that these people arent cheating you out of your money is
> crazy, the site has many layers of hidden programming all set up to take
> full adavantage of all types of players from novice to expert.
> the main reason i wrote this blog is to expose the fraud that takes place
> at online gaming site known as Fulltilt poker i was fired three months ago
> from the company that helped write the software..yes i am bitter and mad
> but i do fell everyone so know how bad fulltilt is and that is a site
> built by THIEVES!!
>
> Waiting to hear your lies. Criminals like you will be punish.
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I never received a reply and it is now the Oct/22/2009
Conclusion;
1) There must be a Bob Smith, he must of worked for Tiltware, otherwise I'm certain they would of replied and defended Full Tilt. They did reply to all other previous question on their software.
2)Or they just don't care.
I'm feeling better but this upsets me somewhat;
I posted this Bob Smith posting on 10-19-2009 at 2:11 PM
I also in other postings, suggested that people go and sign the following petition regarding and Full Tilt and cheating. The site is at
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/FullTilt
On the same day, found a posting with the bad news. There has been a Bob Smith signed the petition, and added comments in complete reverse as the posting I posted. This posting was at 10/19/2009 3:04 PM
I went to the site and found, yes there was Bob Smith with comments in complete reverse. The time of the posting was on 10/19/2000 3:04 PM
There was some suspicious indicators.
1) You can use any name on the petition.
2) In Bob Smith posting lowercase letters are used, unless start of a sentence, and fulltilt was used.
3) While in the comments, Uppercase letters are used and Full Tilt is used.
This appears to be a conspiracy from this thread to crunch any bad or damaging material. Which tells me, Yes there are people who get paid to protect the online poker sites.