You have zero credibility with me. I have read the certifications. Never seen any mention of the full deal being verified by any of Pokerstars, GG Poker or Party Poker. You claim otherwise, so post your proof. That's how it works. You make claims, you prove them. Don't expect me to do your work.

Demand for what? A fair poker game. Or a game based on RandoCoin. If it's the latter then I agree but let's not confuse the issues, which you try to do all the time.


Good luck with your venture (genuinely).

Here's something else that's geniune. I really don't care what form of online poker there is demand for. If the deal isn't verifed, I'm not playing. There's plenty of live poker to go around.

Nice try. The numbers I provided are based on 10K votes (this thread) i.e they have a basis in fact. The shillies (like you) want to rubbish those numbers without providing anything better.

Don't let the fact that I told you there were verifiable deals and provably fair poker around the last 9 months you were too potato to check on your own. They existed prior to me naming them. Just like the explanation of the certification process the sites run.

Be lazy, go to one of the gaming labs website, contact us, send them a note asking about it. You'll get a simple and easy to understand reply with a small example. They do not make it overly obvious as to where it is on the site, to be fair. They seem to be quite happy to talk to people with industry questions. You would likely get all the answers you seek if you contacted them. That is a legit and honest suggestion.

#VerifyTheDeal

LO****ingL. Of course you can.

Let me try making this clearer for you. What we have here is a poll of a self-selected sample; you used that poll to extrapolate how the entire player base felt on the issue, and stated it as fact. Whether anyone can provide a better figure or not doesn't change the fact that your projections are deeply flawed.

Right, you made it up.

I don't know what this has to do with your assertion. You said I don't care about a fair deal, now you're asking about deal verification. I know the best way to determine whether a deal is fair is through my own, and other players', results. IE, what we're dealt. If I'm truly suspicious of a site, I don't know how much comfort a deal verification is going to give me. Maybe they have a way to deal different cards than their algorithm suggests, through another step. Maybe they get certified and then use different software. That's why I rely on the results, and if I don't like what I see, I'll play elsewhere.

Would it be bad to have deal verification? No, of course not. But it doesn't have a lot of value to me, and the fact that sites that provide provably fair poker aren't gaining any traction would seem to indicate not a lot of other players do either. Of course I'm sure there are lots of reasons they aren't succeeding thus far, but to this point the provably fair component isn't giving them a competitive edge.

I care about a fair deal. Deal verification? Meh.

you can't rubbish one set of numbers (ie: you being a Satanist) without providing something better. Your riggie "logic," not mine.

Using actual logic has no value with you, which is why it is so easy to complete against inferiors like you. This is the only thread for riggie stuff, so this is the place riggies will go and some people who like to troll the inferior riggies. You have over 500 posts on 2+2 and all are in this thread. You do not participate in any of the other forums, and if you did you would see a near complete lack of riggie stuff.

Thus, the percentage of riggies in this thread is much, much larger than it is in the industry. There is one riggie thread with one poll (with a ton of riggies voting many times) and in contrast there are thousands of threads about strategy, game developments, software etc. with no riggies to be found, because riggies are literally a nothing in this industry outside of meaningless contained riggie threads. Look at the sites that have the type of thing you want - you will not even play there or participate in a conversation in their threads about their software. You, and riggies in general, are zero value customers. For what it is worth, I like when riggies are proud of their bad business skills, like believing the mix of posters in a riggie thread is identical to those in the industry (despite no riggies being seen in thousands of other threads). It is why satanists like you are so easy to defeat!

By the way, my watch is worth more than your car. Actually, who are we kidding - you can't afford to buy a car.

All the best.

I didn't say anything of the sort. It's you making stuff up:

This is where we fundamentally disagree. The fact that your stats look ok means nothing to me. The best way to verify software, is to see it and analyse it. Fair.poker have it right. They can't just go changing the deal behind the scenes in any meaningful way.

The provably fair people trying to shoehorn in RandoCoin are on a complete loser IMO. The others are trying to compete in a mature market against established companies with a huge installed customer base and massive marketing budget. You would expect to see them struggle in the early stages. Maybe they will take off, maybe they won't. It doesn't really matter much at this stage. I have zero expectation of a fair game online. Whether it's the algorithm, bots, collusion, RTA or something else is irrelevant. Live poker is where it's at.

ps - Montesauraus is hilarious. Where did they find that idiot?

The thing with a fundamental disagreement is who are the people on each side. On one side there is essentially the vast bulk of players in the industry and several long time successful people within this industry who actually know how it works. On the other side is a weird rando stalky troll wannabe who openly acknowledges that he has no knowledge of the actual industry and only participates in it with posting in a riggie thread.

Reminds me of a time when a rando donk had issues with Pokerstars and he refused to do the standard verification process as he claimed it to be an invasion of his privacy. He declared the situation an "impasse" when it was basically Stars closing his account and saying "whatever, bye" and nobody else supporting the guy at all. Quite the impasse or fundamental disagreement in his mind only. Nobody else cared in the end, cause the guy was a rando donk.

Fair Poker has it right in your opinion. Guess you do not care that those games have zero measures whatsoever to prevent collusion. Why worry about things like that when they have it right, and even though they have it right you will not support them with your zero value. Guess that is what Satanists do. What would you say to the people that claim it is rigged?

All the best.

What is wrong with you? Why is every post just full of nonsense and lies?

A fair deal and game security are different issues. Why are you trying to equate one with the other? Fair.poker have the deal part of it right. Good luck to them with that. They'll need to sort game security too. Doesn't matter to me because it's a crypto based site and I won't be on it in the near future. I'd still like to see them succeed because I agree with the fundamental approach they are taking.

I also don't care how many people are happy with the industry as it stands. I'm sure there are many. It's not my profession, so I literally do not care. I've tried explaining that to you many times but it never sinks in. I enjoy poker as a hobby. It would be nice to play an online tournament/cash game and have the same confidence that the game is fair, as I do in a live game. For me, that's currently impossible because none of the big poker sites have bothered to verify that their deal is legit. No amount of you, or Dud, or anyone else shouting "riggie" is going to change that.

And you're a grade A idiot.

You're not a riggie. You're a putz and a lazy one. You have an advanced case of Cranio Fecal Syndrome.

The good news is, it's not a tumor. It is terminal though.

There are no lies. My watch really is worth more than your car (if you ever own one). Also, you are a complete newb non-participant in this industry with zero supporters of your little beliefs. Hell, even the rooms that "do it right" as you say do not get you as a customer. You literally do not exist.

You as a customer are worth zero. You are welcome to your uninformed beliefs that nobody else agrees with, but in the end your value is zero. There is no impasse here. You are worth zero.

You do not care (yet you still stalky style post here, which weird) and you are worth zero in this industry. Your beliefs have no value other than to be mocked, and you create such an aura of boredom that even that is valueless.


That is your problem, and since you are literally worth zero, nobody else really is concerned about your personal paranoia. Play or don't play - it does not matter in the slightest to anyone else. It is your problem. Get over it already. Or don't and continue to whine as a stalky riggie in a riggie thread. No difference to anyone else in the end.

Also, take it easy with the Satan worship in future. That might explain why you are so angry (yet even when angry you manage to bore others)

All the best.

I guess that's you trying to be funny? Stick to poker.

If you ever do find that documentation to back up your claims (you won't, it doens't exist), do let us know.

How can you be so stupid as to not get it? I don't care about your name calling, or trying to bucket me in to some 2010 riggie list. You won't shout me down as you try with everyone else.

You're a coward and a liar and rant raving nonsense to make yourself feel better. Whatever. That's your thing.

If you have anything useful to add to the fair deal conversataion (you don't), then please tell us. Otherwise, leave it to the adults.

Aw, the little riggie is all whiny and triggered. Try to be less of a snowflake when you are here mainly to stalk me and others.

You keep using the term "us" despite not having a single other poster agree with you. Stop lying. You are not having an actual conversation with anyone. Stop lying.

You are valueless, so proving anything to you is meaningless. You just change the goalposts and in the end it is all your problem. Nobody else cares. The riggie culture is pretty much dead (note the lack of riggies the past couple of years even in a riggie thread). Riggie stuff was never a topic that mattered, and the few rooms that tried to cater to riggies all failed because riggies are valueless in this industry. They create some noise, but no value. Feel free to complain to Satan later on as needed. Poor little snowflake.

All the best.

I've never seen someone so boastful about being clueless. You're like a troll bot that has malfunctioned and in an endless loop of regurgitated nonsense.

If you were the slightest bit interested in finding out answers to your concerns you'd write the gaming labs.

I think it was an accurate diagnosis. Told you for months in end provably fair poker exists. You screechy screechied about it. Had to spoon feed the proof into the itty bitty cpu in your coconut and then you cheer them on. The same goes for gaming RNG certification. I'll let you wallow in your own ignorance for months and then show you. Which at that time, you'll proudly declare that you think it's good poker sites do this.

Just an FYI, have another 7500 in freerolls on Pokio the next ten days. Should fit your bankroll. The 10K MTTs to round out the anniversary series, while loaded with furious clickers, has a $50 buyin. Bink a freedonk and then enter the Main. Good luck!

You're right, it was only an insinuation. My apologies. Of course, that doesn't change your goalpost shifting from a fair deal to deal verification. But I think we've come to an understanding of one another's viewpoints on that now.

Indeed.

And that's why you're doing the right thing in steering clear of online poker. If the only thing that will satisfy you is being shown the software that a site is claiming to use, you aren't going to have a lot of choices any time in the near future IMO. Until there's a significant benefit for a major site do so, I don't expect it will happen.

We are in agreement Bobo. Who would have thought it?

If anyone knows of a fair poker site (by my definition) with a reasonable player base do let me know and I'll be happy to try it out. Until then, live poker is king.

You have been told multiple times by multiple people that your best choice is to never gamble online ever again. Everyone agrees on that. You cannot compete and no room will cater to your ever changing riggie fringe needs, because you represent no money to them. Guess you were slow on that uptake, but to repeat - you should not gamble online ever again. Do not participate in the online gambling world in any way shape or form.

The thing you want is not in demand in the market. Its a nothingburger. Sites that do it get no benefit from it - even donks like you do not support them as a customer.

Since you will not get what you want from the online experience - do not participate in it other than doing several more hundred stalker style posts in a riggie thread if that provides some form of therapeutic benefit. Satan would approve.

All the best.

Is that ^ what a successful, professional in the poker industry looks like?

Since he owns a watch that is worth more than most vehicles, I would say so, yes.

Does anyone have the link to the ?/3 riggie thread? Would love to read through it, thanks

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...tally-1706112/

This guy did the ignorance based arrogance routine the way it should be done for entertainment purposes, though eventually it got tired as well, since he did not really change anything. He did it in the stats forum with actual stats guys at a time it was active, so a lot of bonus points for that compared to doing it in a dusty riggie thread on life support forums.

He also created another thread there

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...41/?highlight=

Fun reading.

Most riggies appear to not understand that this particular thread is a low-content entertainment thread.


I have posted this a gazillion times (give or take), and I don't recall a riggie ever engaging it:

Defend or Criticize:

Any riggie claim backed by evidence about a specific rig on a specific site would find its way into its own thread and would be taken seriously by the 2+2 community.

Any proof of fairness would find its way into a new thread and be taken seriously by the 2+2 community.

ps - is "riggie" deemed a personal attack, according to the new site rules?

Any knowledgeable poker player would rely on the math. Pretty simple. It's the noobs, riggies, and recs that have the ever changing goalposts of proof. They belong in a contained thread to not derail actual poker discussion and so others can come and troll or laugh at them.