You have some good points/arguments here, but you, just like the opposite side, exhibit strong bias toward what you want to believe, or what you want other people to believe. So far so good.

You want us to believe that the rig is too sophisticated and too risky to be implemented. Well, not too sophisticated as I explained, not easy to catch, math matters indeed, but it requires looking into something else, something that neither the sites make easy to extract, nor the existing and widely available softwares can easily extract; as you keep saying, and I fully agree, the programmers are smart people. Regarding the risk; well, there is a risk in commiting any crime, and the risk is to be caught and punished. Smart people commit sophisticated crimes, they weigh the pros and contras very well, and often get away with the crime or get caught only after many years.

In your universe, this seems to be the only possible crime. Well, because it has already happened, and it is well known, it is difficult to not admit it could happen again. Does this imply the non-existence of any other possible crime? Which has not been detected as of yet? I think not.

Skilled people - yes, no argument about it. You mention math here often. Let us do some Venn diagram then. We have the set of skilled programmers/bosses A and the set of criminal minds B. It is possible that the two sets have an intersection, is not it. Who does reside in the intersection? Exactly the type of people I am talking about. No one has come forward and admitted to crimes, well, that is not difficult to understand, is it? Is not the safest choice to just wait to be caught (with a comparatively good probability that you will not be), rather than helping the authorities to put you in place? Madoff and the Enron guys, they did not go to FBI and admitted that they are skillful crooks, they were caught first, right? So expecting skillful programmers to admit to a rig is like a very low probability event, something like me losing a thousands times in a row a sequence of 10 coin flips online... Bosses, those who actually profited the most, coming forward, that is even lower probability event.

The sets of programmers and business people (bosses) also have intersection; and let us not forget how it all started initially; often the bosses and the programmers were the same person. Take Party Poker - the initial owners were Ruth Parasol, she has various education, including business and law degrees, but also extensive computer knowledge; she ran real estate management business but also online pornography and phone sex lines before she launched Starluck Casino Online in 1998. The next year the software engineer Anurag Dikshit became a partner and that is how PartyGaming was born. In 2008, Anurag Dikshit pleaded guilty to violation of the Federal Wire Act, agreed to cooperate with prosecutors, and personally paid $300 million to the United States Department of Justice as part of his plea. Also involved with PartyGaming was Vikrant Bhargava, who has degrees in management and electrical engineering, a billionaire who now has a private investment company, Veddis Ventures, registered in, you guessed it, the great country of Gibraltar. For those of you who do not know where most of the online poker come from, Gibraltar spreads over 5.6 square kilometers. Imagine the great resources in exercising control over online gaming, investing, etc this country has. Overall, nothing shady implied. Malta and the Isle of Man are a kind of similar jurisdictions. Another person involved in PartyGaming was Russ de Leon, the former husband of Ruth Parasol, also a billionaire, and founder of Evolve software, a bit of criminal mind himself, here is a couple of quotes from

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/...vron-17788.htm

Russ DeLeon, best known as an online poker magnate after becoming a major PartyGaming stockholder after the company's 2005 IPO, is being sued by the Chevron Corp. after financing a controversial and long-running environmental lawsuit that allegedly used fraudulent and racketeering means to obtain a $19 billion judgment in an Ecuadorian court.

On March 4, U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan of New York called the lawsuit a massive fraud against the company in which the plaintiffs violated the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.

Gee, it is easy to trust guys like that to provide fair online experience, is not it... Anyone with "clean" bio involved in PartyGaming? Please enlighten me.

Chris (Jesus) Ferguson might ring a bell as one of the founders of Full Tilt. He has a Ph. D. in Computer Science (focusing on virtual network algorithms); it is difficult to imagine that he was not involved in creating the FT software.

From the Wikipedia page on Chris Ferguson:

Well, it seems the criminal mind can network pretty well, and it seems that things remain pretty quiet only until they are not quiet anymore.


OK, your bottom line increase will be way more than 4%, while the chance of getting caught, well, I would sadly admit could be less than 100%. Regarding the bottom line: imagine what I see at the tables. I play with a bunch of shills every night, accounts that entirely contribute to the bottom line. I am a huge depositor, and so are few others; perhaps some occasional depositors also marked as marks, and that is all; all of the non-mark accounts are collecting accounts, directly contributing to the bottom line - definitely way more than 4%; unless you have some research that supports your claim, that is. I guess that would not be open to the public, so no link/quote can be expected...

Vote for whatever you like but it's not my job to provide evidence for Dewd's claims. He must do that himself. In lack of such evidence, one can only deduce that he was talking crap the whole time. Throwing out shill theories without any evidence to back them up.

Which puts him in a tricky position. He can never ask "riggies" to provide evidence for their claims again, if he's not willing to back up his own.

Agreed. Please explain that to Dewd.

All the best.

Awww, trying to make yourself look important. That's cute. It will be a tough day for you when you realize how utterly irrelevant you and your concerns really are.

He knew his views were meaningless within a few posts, but I always hope riggies transition to better riggie trolls when it is clear that is their chosen path. A few do, but from 1-10, his overall riggie/troll routine rates about a 3. He did try for a while, and I would give those early efforts a 4-5 (as they were average, with some mild potential), but the concluding bits are about as weak as it gets and would (being generous) rate a 2. Thus, overall about a 3 on the riggie scale within the give up early / become a riggie troll sub-culture.

Hopefully the next gaggle of riggies will feature some better talent!

Yeah, juicy has really gone off a cliff the last couple of days. That's some weak sauce trolling there. Bye, juicy, we harly knew ye.

I gave you the exact place to read it and for multiple networks.

The issue is you're stupid, smug, and lazy, Dean Wormer would scowl.

You can easily see I have provide direct links for virtually everyone else over the years. You're just special, in a short bus kind of way. The lack of direct links for you is both in kind as to your lack of showing how simple the software could be tweaked that math could not find and your pathetically weak stabs at being edgy.

You're the stinky kid from 3rd grade with the cutting barbs like..."I know you are, but what am i?" level of retorts. Your predictability is a virtual 100% and trying to emulate others just highlights how little neural activity takes place.

If you're looking for the kind of evidence that will soothe your feelz, I suggest checking out the meatspin website.

Forgot to mention the former owner and creator of Poker Stars, Isai Scheinberg, an Israeli senior programmer for IBM Canada. He began to write the software that would form the basis for PokerStars in the late 1990s and formed Rational Enterprises, originally based in Costa Rica, to operate his new poker site. His son, Mark Sheinberg was also involved in the company; they used other programmers as well (From https://www.gamblingsites.com/history/poker-stars/ and from the PS site itself, https://www.pokerstars.com/about/history/2001/).

Now for those of you who do not know much about programming, big software is segmented in such a way that parts of it can be updated without any effect on other parts. Which means that if there is a part which is rigged (say the one managing the dealing, use of RNG, profiling), that part can remain inaccessible to low level programmers, like those who perform updates on bells and whistles, bonusses, promos etc. Low level programmers do not necessarily have access to the entire software, or clearance high enough to deal with all parts of it. That is the case with any big enough software enterprise; I have a friend who works for a bank; there is a clear hierarchy on who can do what there. I know enough about programming to claim that myself, but you do not have to trust me; just read the books. Anyway, this might also shed some light on the frequently asked (by Monteroy) question on "why the hell no programmer has come forward to explain the rig"... Well, how about "too few in the inner circle, too much at stake"?

I did not read your initial manifesto, nor your own manifesto response to your initial manifesto, however both of you should collect your hand histories and present the data. Until then, kind of boring at this point.

Hey, at least someone read your other post finally. Remember, both of you - just deposit and play some more tomorrow. Thanks!

All the best.

You sure did not or that is just your polite way to say that you have nothing to say about it? Know when to fold'em, eh? See, ignoring is a good strategy, when nothing else works. That is exactly what the sites do when pressed with inconvenient questions. You could not find anything you could address with your standard riggies' attacks. "My manifesto" was actually a response to Dewd, mixed with some well-known history on who put online poker in place; mostly because you want us to believe something else.

Nah. When I say I did not read something, its because I did not read something. You have posted the same manifestos for decades, without ever really changing or adapting, and the same goes for your game.

Now, if you ever produced actual data - sure, would be worth a look, especially after the 20 year avoidance of that by you, but since you will never do that, and you will continue with your gambling addiction (wrong choice) and will simply post repetitions of your fantasy world - no real need to read them. They are boring.

In contrast, the politics forum have the equivalent of riggies that are more entertaining, as they do mix it up some. The latest thing is something called the Mandela effect, which I never heard of before today, so on that I will read and enjoy the new weirdness such as


See, look at that stuff. Basically, its something about how people have a collective memory of a term that is different, so it is proof we are in an alternative reality or something. That's fun, and different! Your repetitive posts about profiling after 15-20 years? Boring!!!! Even the conspiracy game has left you far behind, and people like the above dismiss you as well quickly (just as the ?/3 riggie did in his thread).

Here is the thread if you want to participate - and feel free to add your profiling beliefs in there for comment. See, that would be fun to see .

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...media-1745184/

Don't worry, it is not in the spooky math forum.


All the best.

Now who is acting the arrogant, condescending prick?

As usual with you, so much text, so little evidence. Well, ZERO evidence (as LT likes to post). Just shillie theories with nothing to back them up.

You persist with useless walls of text, rather than admit you were wrong. Let me save you further embarrassment. There never has been a full software audit for any site. I knew that at the start. Your best bet was just to come clean and admit you were being a shill but you couldn't bring yourself to do that. Instead, you continued digging.

It's been fun watching your posts become more and more eccentric as I press you for evidence to back up your nonsensical claims. You are well and truly in the same boat as the riggies. Congratulations!

Now, while I always suggest that time spent actually helping riggies with their agendas is time wasted (much like how spadebidder did a ton of work for a toxic riggie back in the days), my suggestion in this specific case would be the following:

He posts a single link for you as an example. Sure, he has posted them in the past in this thread and many times in the Global Staking forum, and he has told you how to find exactly what you want with a google search, but you are continuing with a troll routine that you think is good, when it really is weak.

After he provides that single link, he says in that post again how he found it so you can replicate that process with any other publicly traded company fairly easily, and you agree that is then your responsibility to do that for other sites.

You can do whatever you want with the link. The assumption will be you will dismiss it and say it is not really what he said it is and yadda yadda standard riggie yadda yadda nonsense. You have the freedom to do that, because it is in your wiring.

After that, you promise to post your algorithm concerns and your math question in the math forum here as a separate thread.


There you go - a simple quid pro quo - which riggies for the most part never accept, but this way after you refuse this (or most likely ignore this) then that refusal can be hurled at you every time you post, much like at this point how I just tell dacy to provide hand histories and ignore the rest of his posts.

So how about it, do you agree to the above? Thanks!

All the best.

No. You think you are smarter than math, smarter than auditors, smarter than everyone about everything. You are not. You are a clown.

You would then ask me for the page number, and the auditors info, and statutes, etc....These are all issues of common sense for anyone that has business experience. A reporting public company is open to any audits, announced or otherwise, in any fashion. It's part of being public.

The mere fact that you cannot comprehend yet another thing, that is what it means when you become publicly traded shows off your naivety.

Your pseudo twin, the clown PT something in the global poker forum was just as smug as you. I learn fast. After posting the link to annual report, I had to then give specific page, explain the words, and give regulator's background. At the end, he stuck to his idiotic belief, just like you would.

Innately stupid people don't learn very easy, add in your smarter than thou smugness and it is pointless to post any links. You have a cheering party of one, yourself. Several people have asked you to post your tweak that could not be found by math and yet weeks later....you still babble like the mouth breeder you are.

You made claims, offer nothing to back it up and now whine that I will not provide a link that I clearly told you how to find but would not give it to your lazy ass. You could search mybpost history and see I've given dozens of people links, help, etc... As far as your equally ******ed whine about shill, there are many people that have posted problems that I have zero connection with and I've PM'd them lots of contact info and steps to go about getting their issue fixed. I've been offered money, and the percent offered by one person was over $10K and I said I'd never accept any money for trying to help. You can't even identify a shill.

You're an insufferable dolt.

Online poker is rigged and I can prove it.

But I won't because I'm a superuser and want you keep playing.

Oh well, maybe next week will be the week.

Today's episode sucked. Maybe tomorrow will be better. Gl riggies

That's it. NEXT week. I'm POSITIVE we'll see evidence NEXT week.

There is actually an issue with BOL and the guy posted fair enough evidence. Of course, the actual evidence means it will never be found in this thread.

True. A "riggie" would never discover an ACTUAL rig, because the riggie mindset it totally based on feelz. The Riggieverse is basically a "No Facts Zone."

Identical to the Shillieverse.

Indeed! I'm now receiving $55 per post.

Since this is a "poker is rigged" thread, the evidence must come from the riggies.

Start a "Online Poker is Fair" thread, and then the glove will be on the other foot.

Yeah, let us do that; I really want to see some evidence that online poker is fair; has not happen yet.

Well, you can do that if you like, but a couple things are an issue:

1) Riggies do not like starting threads, especially in spooky math forums

2) The thread would literally get pretty much zero posts and die quickly, and while that would show noone cares, it would be interpreted as some kind of secret coverup or something, but in the end - noone would care.


Now, you will be happy to know that I do have a legitimate alternative for you and some other riggies. A different person, a real life riggie, has his own thread in the Politics forums where he discusses real world versions of pretty much the same profiling effect you think is at play in online poker. Here is his thread.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...media-1745184/

I mentioned in it, as we were discussing his belief that the world changed and it manifests in a couple movie lines being different and a car logo being different (you can google the Mandela effect) that there were people in this thread that had similar concerns with forces at work in the world, in this case online poker, that were targeting them, which is something he believes happens on a macro level with how governments and the media behave.

I asked if riggies such as yourself could post in his thread your general concerns, and he said yes and that he would be willing to listen and help with his own examples of similar instances, and that may very well help you guys with how you explain your beliefs, as that guy is a lot better at that than riggies in this thread.

He did express concern that he was not a math guy, but I said that is not much of an issue as riggies rarely show any actual math, but many claim to be math experts, so you will be happy to know that you can continue to be a math expert that shows no real math there as well.

Give it a read, especially the last week or so, and you will see this is what I say it is, and perhaps this will allow you, a person who has developed his belief over decades, to work with another person who has researched and developed his similar world views over a long period of time as well (he has posted here even longer than you).

A genuinely good place for someone like you to post, not so much for "shillieverse" dude. I would say he is going out with a whimper, but that would be an insult to whimpers.

All the best.

Yeah man, don't invite juicebag to the luckbox thread, far too obnoxious. He seems out of steam anyway, wouldn't surprise me if we've seen the last of him now. Dacy, you should come though!

I have seen no evidence that a small teapot is not orbiting the Sun between Earth and Mars.