You say I do not read your postings, but it seems you do not read mine either; I mean no offense taken, why would you; there are so many standard anti-riggies attacks to choose from. Monteroy already asked this question and I addressed it; not as easy as you make it sound; it will serve no purpose in my case, or in any other case of continuously screwed player:

Technically, yes, I can withdraw and finish a winner after one particular deposit; that will still leave, like 999 other deposits to recover, way to go. My observation is that deposits made soon after a fresh one is "exhausted" and the mark is put in the "screw-the-mark" mode, these are treated as one big one, and the mark stays in that mode until broke and/or decide to take several days off. A new deposit after that is what I call a "fresh deposit", shortly after which the mark can actually have some fun, win some lose some, go up a bit, until the new "screw-the-mark" mode is on. Variations are possible; mild randomization obscure the patterns here and there, insignificant details.

The funny part is this whole plot depends on the mark not being clever enough to stop playing

I think what Kelvis means is that if everything you say you believe to be the truth, you would be subject to a conservatorship for your own good.

Well, the difference is that wasn't a reply to me; I didn't go searching back through the conversation you and Monteroy had, and I'll admit to not having remembered the contents of all your past posts. But thanks for tracking it down for me.

Heh, awesome. This is much like the way I figured a conversation with you about this would go, and why I had avoided engaging previously. Whatever point someone brings forward, you will always have a counter-point, because the fact that it makes the rig more and more complicated is irrelevant to you, as you are convinced this is all a big conspiracy and there's nothing that can't be done to make sure the sites get every last penny. It's a strange view, but it's not like I didn't already know you held it, so this is no surprise. I'll not waste my time trying to convince you otherwise, but certainly hope for your sake that you've quit online poker, as it will never give you any joy - your mindset that you're being cheated will stop you from ever trying to improve, so you'll never be good enough to beat the game, and will forever be blaming the sites. Or in your world, the sites will always be rigged against you. I wish you luck in finding a more enjoyable hobby.

While in some ways this will echo elements of this guy's very detailed conspiracy narrative, the reality is that much of the gambling industry will target people like this one, though not in the odd profiling/setting up software nonsense he is spouting. They target him as an addicted gambler because he will provide a good income to them whenever they bring him in.

Casinos have hosts that cater to their "whales" in this way. I knew one who was a senior host at Circus Circus (quite the horrid place). He was blunt with his tales of how they would do everything to extract money from people they knew were addicted gamblers. Given that their bonuses were based on how much the casino made from them - they did not often care to follow the "You can shear a sheep many times but you can skin him only once" motto. They wanted everything, and they did not have to rig anything - they just let math (and the degens need for action) do their thing.

Once in a rare while one of these guys would run so hot that they could not lose for that "session," and that could cause some stress (ie: will they figure out to quit while ahead finally), but in nearly 100% of the cases these addicts came back right away harder than before, pretty much as if their only goal was to get to $0 to then lament about their fate and bad luck, and the hosts were always there to comfort them when they did that (unless they knew the guy was then dry - they tossed them away then). Think they even had a movie scene about that in "Casino."

I despise this element of this industry, which is why I am actually impressed that Stars and a couple other sites followed their responsible gaming rules and closed this guy's access. Good luck in finding a case of a live casino doing that on their own volition. Part of why I asked this guy to post his hands ( I knew he would ignore that) is I am curious as to what site he is on now that is allowing him to do these deposits over and over and over without any issue (they probably toss him promos), because good chance they are not following their responsible gambling protocols, especially if and when this guy is tossing them emails of his life manifesto at them which literally screams "I am a gambling addict!"

Interacting with him has similarly been a tricky choice for me, because while I do have fun engaging riggies and their gentle paranoid ways, I do not like to have fun at the expense of people who have a genuine mental condition. While I did tell him several times to quit all forms of gambling (the only correct advice), it was hard for me to avoid having a little fun in a thread that has basically been dead of fun for years. My bad on that in hindsight.

In that regard I tried having riggies interact, and that is always difficult, because riggies innately know to avoid each other, since often times their theories contradict each other. That is why guys like jungmet wait until a lull to come back, so that they do not have to interact with other riggies.

Not hard to see that the forced effort to get the 2NL grinder/whiner/riggie/troll whatever and the guy who dumps 1K at a time playing games he is massively outmatched in will be a weird pairing, and both have done a very good job at avoiding each other despite my efforts, but this fellow does have a history of interacting (briefly) with a different manifesto riggie who constructed an even better alternative world for himself - one in which basic math concepts do not apply.

That guy actually got one of his two crazy threads stickied in the stats forum before he was banned! This profiler guy tried to insert his beliefs into one of the alternative math guy's threads, and he was very quickly dismissed away

He never replied to our current hero again despite his repeated attempts to engage ostensible "?/3" guy after, and ?/3 guy replied to everyone else, but he instinctively knew to avoid another manifesto riggie.


Anyway, I realize that having fun at this guy's expense is not really the correct approach, and I totally believe having fun at whiny riggies is a valid and amusing thing to do. This guy is a pure gambling addict, nothing more, so other than saying "quit gambling" there is nothing really that should be done with him. He has to choose to change or not, and he is free to weave this into his narrative as he sees fit as well. My suggestion to others would be if you continue to engage him just say "quit all forms of gambling" and leave it at that.

No "all the best"?
You are slipping monty
Montrolling

And why not? It is pure money, and as I said many times, there is a machinery that works, not so difficult to discover and program; apparently figuring it out takes some time, if you are on the recieving end, but I have gone through that long time ago. I just keep having "fun" at the expense of my money. Is not that what the industry wants?

Pulling the old "mental case" argument? Are you running out of ammo? I can understand that. The sites took exactly the same approach: If we cannot explain what exactly was going on with his pattern of "fresh deposit"-"bone mode"-"screw-the-mark-mode", and if we cannot explain why his money always get drained to particular accounts, on which we do not really want to comment, well, why not just call him a mental case, addict, bring the responsible gaming trump card, and get rid of him? They do have all my hands, and they do have all kind of trackers for house services/programming. Why did not they tell me something like: You are an idiot, do not know how to play, look at your hands, look at your EV on all ins, you destined to be a loser with this play. No, just go away. We do not want to deal with guys like you. Fine. Thanks for the concern about my well-being. By the way, the discrepancy between my EV on all ins and actual money won is just like the one a high stake player posted recently here,

except that it goes like that over pretty much any sufficiently big run of hands... His situation might be somewhat different, I guess that is why no one bit on that

That is commendable. I do not shy away from communicating with like-minded people. As you can see, I do not mind communicating with not-so-like minded people either. And if we have some differences in describing what is going on, I do not mind PM-ing with anyone who is interested in a discussion, and polishing the details. You are right that one might be deterred from commenting on a post which they do not see what to comment on, and that goes the same way for posts by both riggies and non-riggies alike.

Hmm, now it is me against the group. How familiar... Just like at the tables. You must be a real overseer, advising everyone else. I thought a public forum is a place where the public can express their opinion, but perhaps here Monteroy's suggestions should be given priority

I highly encourage that you then direct your theory to jungmit, and read some of his past posts to get a feel for his beliefs. He has played as long as you have played, and like you - he thinks he is good at poker. You guys should get into some deep discussions in this thread as to how you think the industry works, and work together to some ideas and suggestions for each other.

I would certainly be entertained by that and would not interrupt it, and I would hope others would do the same as well in that situation. You said you do not shy away from communicating with like minded people and he is literally the most like minded to you in this thread so both of you should go for it!

Here are a few threads he has started. The first one is "Did fish always run this good"

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...66/?highlight=

and another titled " If you don't win then you are not a winner"

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...inner-1519331/


and also "How can it be???????"

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/9...97/?highlight=

He is essentially your riggie soulmate - so talk to each other sooner than later!



As for the rest of your post - meh, whatever - quit all forms of gambling, and do it immediately.

All the best.

So very nice of you to try to match me with some other like minded people, appreciated. I am really chuffed! But you do not have to dig deep to find people who have the same observations like mine and talk about their experience in much more detail than the fellows you suggested, and make much more sense, or entire sites that deal with the issue of online poker rigged. Many actually mentioned in this same thread. The observations are not new. You actually make it seem like these people are rarity, and that they are shallow and mental cases, etc., hence the choice of your "matches". You could definitely have done better on this one, but that is not what you are paid for, I guess.

I have shown there is a possibility of cheating all non-site-accounts at once, without being detected, unless the correlation between times of deposits and bankroll is studied. If you feel cheated like I do, collect this information, and we might continue the discussion further. If you do not, good for you. Just be aware that the possibility exists. The only non-riggies' argument I heard so far was "Why would they do it?", and that is definitely not strong enough for me. The other one was "You are a gambling addict" (and therefore you should not be allowed to play at any site? Perhaps, I should not be allowed to talk about poker either?) Fine, but how this makes online poker non-rigged? If you are one of the site accounts, then just keep posting nice graphs, and praise the holy "non-riggedness".

If jungmet is as you described makes no sense, and is not an ideal match for you with his beliefs (perhaps jungmet will comment on that during a lull), then instead of a hired shill picking suitable matches for you - how about you simply list 5 posters from this thread that you would consider a suitable match for your beliefs. You said they are very easy to find, so your next step (which you will not do) is to find them and list them, and then follow up with them to have a vigorous discussion of your theory for all to see. You know yourself, so you are the one who can do "better" in that regard, and you were the one who said

Find them, list them and talk to them. Stop talking to us , or as per tradition you can basically avoid this simple task (much like you never post any actual hands or data), and drone on about your life conspiracy theory. Heavy favorite it will be the latter, because you never do anything that would specifically back your statements (in this case listing 5 posters in this thread that support your beliefs). Remember, you said that you will not have to "dig deep" to complete this task, so get to it! Specific posting names and posts, not generalities .

As for the rest of your post - meh, whatever - quit all forms of gambling, and do it immediately.

All the best.

And why should I do that? I see a public forum; I see an appropriate titled thread, and I post. It is a thread that I have read; perhaps not everything, as some of the regs here, but I know the drill, I know what I can expect - attacks from people who have vested interest in the poker industry.

I will bite here: And who would that "us" be? Not my life's conspiracy theory; it is the theory that explains the life of all marks of the poker industry. Regarding data, let us say, I am just preparing you. I see what you can do without data; I can easily guess what you will do with data, like "Wow, you must have been really unlucky!"?

I just picked a couple of random of pages to check in this thread, and there we go, a lot of like-minded people, definitely more than five:

By the way, I was thinking how the model would work if the money is not drained in site accounts. Someone asked me to think how the model can be used to generate more rake for the sites. Perhaps that is how they started: Suppose the money is not drained in site accounts, and the site just collects the rake. How would the profiling work then to generate more rake? Simple: Still the same ideas at work. A player who is sufficiently far from deposit gets the "screw" mode, say 20% success rate, while players who are immediately after a fresh deposit get the "bone" mode, say 80%. Players who are in between get a success rate percentage assigned based on how far from a deposit they are, on a sliding scale between 80 and 20 percent. Before you start arguing about numbers, keep in mind that this is just a simplified model, the percentages are assigned based on profiling; additional options and mild randomness can be implemented in the software. What would players observe would be the same pattern that I observed thousands of times: Good run and slightly up when in "bone" mode, followed by a somewhat normal feel game, and eventually, the unavoidable down to zero "screw" mode, with bad beats galore, the feeling of "doom"; when one does not get many playable hands at all, and if one gets a playable hand it is 80% beaten by whatever holding. What would this model do for the proliferation of the site? There is this theme: "Keep the fish in the pond!" This model achieves this and a bit more. The sites do not want people who
1) Win a lot and never deposit
2) Lose a lot and leave the site
Rake is rake, but it must come from somewhere, and this somewhere is new deposits, so if they want to maximize the amount of money coming to the site, then the profiling with the said rig (assigning a success rate, and serving the cards accordingly) does do the job.

I do not believe it is just that though; I believe in the existence of site accounts that drain the money on top of the rake, rake stops being enough after some point, plus I see accounts that rarely lose no matter what they play.

I also see that the game is somewhat more normal at lower levels, but it all fits in the model anyway. I noticed that if I go down to say $50 buy-ins, then I see more normal game. It could be that the rigging stops at some low levels, and that the site accounts only operate at high enough levels, but the profiling and assigning of success rate function does not have to stop at any level. Say, I have $2000, and I decide to play it at $50 buy-ins. Being there done that: At some point I will get to the "screw" mode and would lose everything on bad beats, some times on 2-3BI stacks, no problem; the machinery works, need a sequence of 20 bad beats for that - it delivers. there will be a pot or two won in the process; first of all, you are never assigned a 100% "screw" number. Second, at a low level, supposedly there are less site accounts, perhaps none, if you go quite low. So it will be more feasible to play against some other 20% marks and get a somewhat normal feel about the game. Let us say, site accounts are completely absent. You, with your 20% "screw" mode, will be playing against a mix of other marks, with anything between 20% and 80% success rate assigned, so you will eventually end at zero anyway. As I was saying before, this "somewhat normal feel" about the game totally disappears when you play against 5 site accounts set at 80% for life at the high level, say $500 BI. The "normal feel" with this crowd is only fresh after a deposit...

OK I will explain once and for all how the rigging works. Will use pokerstars as an example because that's where I play. Pokerstars does not like winners, they drain money from the system, send fish broke and the fish never return to the site. Money goes to the sharks, little bit is paid in rake.

The ideal model is everyone breaks even and slowly loses to rake. Meaning no one wins and their deposit is slowly eroded by the rake they pay while breaking even. So everyone slowly loses, desposit again, rinse and repeat. The site gets rich from rake while none of the players win.

So how the rigging works is, once you get a little bit behind or a little bit ahead, you will then recieve good or bad cards to bring you level again. So if you're winning you will get a bad beat, if you're losing you will get a lucky hand to top you up a bit.

So the real winner is pokerstars. Players are playing a rigged game which they cannot win but they can have "fun" playing for quite a while before their deposit runs out. Poker is basically now just another online casino game, you've no hope of beating it.

All the Best

Kemi Kings

You were the one that said there were tons of guys who shared your belief and it would be very easy to point them out. I simply asked you to do that to back that claim, and I added that I knew you would never do that and instead speak in generalities.

Maybe you lose at poker so much because you are extremely easy to predict .





No idea! I tried tossing a couple other riggies to you, but you ignored and rejected them then said tons of others shared your beliefs. You suggested there was an "us" behind you, I simply asked you to list a few names from the thread, knowing you would never do that .


Anyway, one of the other riggies posted that he thinks the sites rig it to screw winners. Your belief is that the winners are in on it with the sites. Hard to see how both theories can exist at the same time, so feel free to explain to him where he is wrong with his beliefs of the rig, and perhaps you can sway him to join your mysterious, unknown "us."

As for the rest of your post - meh, whatever - quit all forms of gambling, and do it immediately.

All the best.

Perhaps I did? Did you check the link provided there,

http://fulltiltpokerrigged.blogspot....confirmed.html

There are many posters there that are pretty darn close to what I am saying here, and so was/is the case with other sites, some defunct now. This thread contains many observations similar to mine, and posts by people who are trying to explain what is going on. If I am aiming to please you, perhaps I will do a complete search of the thread and make a long list like yours where the riggies are classified and organized, but that is not the point; the point is awareness, and it exists, like it or not.

Or it is just that you choose not to comment on whatever is not convenient for you to comment on? That is OK though, you do not have to; I mean the sites do not feel obliged to do so, so why would you, the independent overseer? Pick whatever you feel comfortable with, or nothing at all.

Thanks for sharing a link to a post that is more than 10 years old, without of course sharing any specific dusty poster that shared your view specifically. Still amazing that rooms that died so many years ago still have programmers or people with special accounts that will not talk about what they did (since there are no consequences so many years later), but whatever.

How about you come from posting links of the days of Obama being elected for his first term to the present and at least work on the riggie above who believes that the sites want all players, including you, to break even and that they punish (not work with) winning players. He basically says the rig would do everything it can to help a player like you (to at least break even eventually), do you agree with him? Take a little time to help him see your way of thinking so you at least get one other riggie in 2019 to join you in your cause!

All the best.

This "bob smith" didn't even know the name of the company he supposedly worked for (and I doubt you know it either). That and being a totally obvious made-up gimmick to have fun messing with riggies.

There are even better examples of "proof" out there, keep looking.

Yep, forget what Bob Smith is saying, he certainly hit a sweet spot; most of the other posters there sound genuine. So you think Bob Smith went to that length to just have fun with riggies? Could it be that Bob Smith was just another mark of the industry who experienced the brunt of what I am talking about here, and then changed the narrative to inspire comments? If this all was done just so he had some fun with messing with riggies, what is the purpose of this thread then? To mess with both riggies and non-riggies? Oh, I see where you are going with this. Perhaps, I made everything up to just have some fun messing with non-riggies? Well, I have the hands, the correspondence with sites' customer service, my bank statements; these will certainly go all in at a more appropriate venue; what I see here is supposed to be a discussion group, albeit it feels like something else.

And yes there are many more examples out there, and here, and in other places, no problem; I am just one who has the time to post right here.

Heh, I admit I did not even look at the content of your link when I saw how old it was, but I wish I had, because the Bob Smith stuff was a fun topic here a decade or so ago when a few riggies bought into that fake insider gimmick post. You can search this thread for keywords "Bob Smith" and see some of the chat back then (when a lot of posters did post here genuinely, lot of good names come up with links (most are probably long dead) to other Bob Smith type stuff).

Kind of sad that people like you are such marks (though not in the way you believe). You get sucked in by fake affiliate sites (like the one you gushed on about) and by fake gimmicks who troll riggies. Kind of wonder if you have a link to the "university study" that was also popular back in the day that of course had no direct link to any university, or the Full Tilt play money sit and go "study" that showed that a table where 9 players all went to showdown had stronger winning hands happen more often than the odds said for 1 player to deal out cards for just himself (gee, wonder why). Hell, don't forget about the Pokerstars 5 aces screenshot!

Anyway, here is one of the more popular riggie youtube channels from that day as well. Since you are making no effort to convert even a single 2019 riggie to join your "us" you may as well have hours of additional stuff for you to believe in, and I will not even tell you the real history of the dude who created that channel, to allow you to believe what he says to be totally genuine . At least watch part of one and give some opinions about it, I admit I am curious what you think!

http://www.youtube.com/user/magic612/videos?view=0


Watch, and believe in those instead of playing poker. Quit all forms of gambling immediately.

All the best.

I took it in the shorts too.

aw-haw-haw, u done now, Monte, u done now, i been waiting for this day for a long time ...

Thank you. This is pretty much what I just said, and I explained how it is done, just before your post. It is one possible scenario. I believe they do more than that, especially after a certain level. This part where you describe your feeling what is going on, namely, if you are winning, you will get a bad beat, if you are losing you will get a lucky hand to top you a bit needs a slight correction IMO. The latter does not happen often enough when you are far from deposit, especially at the levels I play. It will be more precise to say that you start getting bad beats at an inexplicable rate till you get to zero, that is the "screw-the mark" mode, that is the "doomswitch-on" mode, whatever you want to call it. Anyway, the 20-80% success rate assignment (depending on how far from a deposit you are) does the job; it could be any other interval centered around 50%, the smaller the interval the longer it takes to get you down to zero, and the more difficult is to notice the rig, even when monitoring the correlation between a fresh deposit and bankroll.

A way to recognize the rig is by comparing to live poker. One thing that has never happened to me online is to go up when far from a deposit. The "screw-the-mark" mode is brutal, you cannot have any real chance of recovery of any kind when you win only 20% of the all-in hands. Live I might have a losing streak, then I would recover, starting from a random moment, there is no correlation between deposit and going down to zero after some time. Live I can have several hours losing, then, without making any new deposit, things turn around, and I recover, go higher than what I started with, etc. In a sufficiently long session, I almost always end up a winner. Ups and downs, normal feel of the game. Never happens online, if the doomswitch is on, no recovery of any kind, ever!

Old but well preserved! What is wrong to referring to old posts? Nothing has ever changed, other than insignificant details; the rigging machinery still feels the same. What people saw 10 years ago is still seen. You are trying to find some sticky points, and keep pointing to the lack of whistle-blowers, so let me comment on that first. A wistle-blower must either feel some moral obligation or have some financial interest. Now, let us see what a programmer of rigged software's motivation could be. First this will be admitting he or she committed a crime, or facilitated a crime to great extent. And that is quite different from the whistle-blowing that we hear about in the news. There the whistle-blower is either a hacker who observed something fishy and reported it, or an insider who felt something was wrong and by political or moral reasons reported it. In none of these cases is the whistle-blower the actual perpetrator or facilitator of the crime. There will be no financial incentives for a rigged poker software creator, unless some billionaire (guy by the name Guy?) announces a huge reward for disclosing such information. In contrast a skillful hacker-become-whistle-blower might get a nice job in a security firm later. The moral point is also very weak. Programming of gambling software apparently requires serious moral restraints/blocks to begin with, and it is highly remunerated respectively, but it is still possible that such programmer eventually talks about it, either under pressure by authorities who investigate based on something, or under one of the other possibilities I mentioned earlier, like sudden change of beliefs system, change of religion, leap of consciousness, health condition, etc., that might eventually cause a leak of information. There is always the more subtle possibility - some criminals want to be known for their crimes

You keep saying that there are so many sites and so many programmers, like 2000 different programmers who wrote 2000 different softwares for playing poker. It might be the case that the softwares are different in details, but regarding the rigging, probably one came with the idea, or was asked by the bosses to look at ways it can be done. In some cases "the bosses" were the programmers and they started the business. Once it is done, then it floats, becomes a folklore, others embrace the idea, or the original inventor just goes around and sells the idea/implementation elsewhere; there are many ways to spread such a "great" idea. Take electric cars, for example. Elon Musk did it, a couple of years later all major car producers have it on the table. I am sure he did not go tell them how to do it. (Elon, sorry for the comparison) Anyway, that is speculation, let us talk about the reality. The reality is people feel something going on, many of them cannot explain what is going on, how it works, who does it, and how, and why, etc. and that is natural. Then the non-riggies, aka industry related entities throw some smoke, gaslight those expressing concerns into believing there is something wrong with them and nothing wrong with the industry, and that is how it goes. But these posts and talks, and sites, they do not exist based on nothing. Why online only? I have not seen a post or a thread claiming live poker is rigged. I understand live and online are different, and the ways they are different. But I have played live for days at a time, which is the equivalent of say one session online, and I have done it many times. Why is there always this feeling something going on online, why is this feeling of doom when far from deposit? Why I have never experienced online what I have experienced many times live, like recovering from a loss without having to deposit again? Where are the normal ups and downs of live, the normal feel of the game? Totally absent online. Far from a deposit, there are only three directions: Down, down and down. There is only one feeling: Doom. It is just slaughter, it is brutal, no recovery of any kind, ever.

So players have concerns about online poker rigged. Many do not have long enough gaming experience to come with a consistent explanation of what is going on. Many felt something fishy was going on and left. Many stubborn depositors like me came with various explanations of what the sites do to get their money. Some explanations were naive; again, what kind of hypothesis a player can form depends on many factors, such as volume of playing, level of playing, ability to collect and process data, previous experience in deriving conclusions from large data, previous experience in long playing live, etc. The discrepancies in believes and descriptions are natural. The entire rig is not made to be easily caught and understood, hence the confusion. And that of course gives great weapons in the hands of non-riggies who use the differences in descriptions and believes to build their cases, to mock, shame, confuse, and gaslight the marks into believing something is wrong with them and not with online poker. But are these riggies' stories that different? It seems there is a pretty common theme everywhere. One can formulate in various ways, to me these all sound the same, all results of profiling and screwing the marks.

1) I always lose my money (oh, of course, you are a weak player, that is why)
2) I always go down to zero after some time of not depositing
3) I always get punished after withdrawing money
4) There are many non-random boards (action boards), etc.

Pretty much everything players observed can be explained by what I described. The model is mathematical, it explains everything that people complain about in a logical and understandable way, and it also explains why the sites have motivation to do it, and why it is difficult (but not impossible) to detect it. It is a nice optimization from the industry perspective. It is a killer of the action in the long run, and destruction for the recreational players as far as I am concerned. It optimizes the money flow in many respects, maximally skinning the marks, maximally keeping the players' money at the site, maximizes the rake, etc. However, more and more people withdraw from online and are not easily replenished; new players have more information and are more cautious before depositing and playing online.

Not exactly, the rig does not help recreational players in any way, it kills the marks, remember. Even KemiKings says so: "The ideal model is everyone breaks even and slowly loses to rake. Meaning no one wins and their deposit is slowly eroded by the rake they pay while breaking even. So everyone slowly loses, deposits again, rinse and repeat. The site gets rich from rake while none of the players win." What he says is a possibility, it fits the model I discussed. I already answered to KemiKings; I believe they go a bit further than that and drain the money in sites' accounts, based on my modest 15 years experience, of course, and on statements by others (unverified, as you would say?); this also fits in the described model

What KemiKings believes is happening is most likely happening, exactly as he describes it, or close. If we add the percentages of success rate assigned to the mark at various times after a deposit, then everything comes into place, can be explained in detail, which I did, so you can rest assured that I do not shy away from talking to other "riggies".

This videos guy, I remember seeing some of his videos back in the day (Lucksack915 playing); I do not know if he is the guy who put together the channel, he has distinctively colorful and expressive language, but he only presents a bunch of bad beats, talks about the action flops and boards; in other words, talks mostly about this feeling of something wrong going on, something against all the players (I mean all of the industry's marks). Needless to say, he is not the only one who posted videos on this common "online is rigged" theme. And needless to say, what he observed and pretty much every poster here and elsewhere talks about can be explained by the model I talk about, plus/minus some variation in details and options. I do not know if everything he presents is totally genuine; from what I have seen online, it looks OK to me; pretty much what I observe by the life's end of any of my fresh deposits. I do not know who this guy is and what his motivation and background is, but I am pretty sure what I will hear from you, you seem to have a good insider knowledge on everything around here: The guy did all that to have some fun with the riggies, or to make a buck on Ytube, or something like that?

You suggest to watch these and believe in them? You must be kidding! You think I can learn something I do not know from there? I think I will just try the more expensive way to see all this - just another fresh deposit and wait a couple of hours, then record with comments, it will be pretty much the same content: Bad beats, action flops and set-ups galore, and then the painfully familiar $0 balance.

The name IONUȚ APAHIDEANU, PhD, statistician, rings a bell regarding academic study; he wrote some 200 page e-book (2017) showing Pokerstars is rigged in terms of action flops, but that is all; perhaps, you have something else in mind.

People like me? Who am I? I am here exclusively in my quality as a mark. Just a mark...

Not in the way I believe? Pretty close to it? The model is flexible, it allows adjustments, profiling does the rest, until it is a perfect match for the mark.

You are indeed a mark, but nowhere close to the way you believe.

The 10 year old post you believe in was basically a fake, posted by fake person to troll riggies (again, research the history of it in this very thread if you like).

The dusty affiliate site, that encouraged riggies to research sites and post about them (that you still love to this day), was a fake construct made to get money (minimal given the demographic) from riggies.

The videos guy was a fake as well, creating his content for an audience like you, so he could monetize it a bit. He was actually a steady winning player in the games he posted about (you can check his scope graphs).

The "PhD Study" you are talking about has been linked in this thread many times over the years (think it was even posted in the stats forum), and it is a fake. There are numerous posts explaining all the methodology errors within it that have been done here as well. I am annoyed because I forgot to include that in my earlier list of fake stuff you would likely believe in!

Kemi Kings who you are currently trying to bond with is also a fake troll.

Literally everything you latch onto is fake, usually because they want to make money from you, or in KemiKing's case - because he likes doing weird trolling as he genuinely plays 2NL games.


The world will be full of fakes that will tell you what you want to hear to get something from you. Stop falling for them. Stop being such an easy mark. As for the rest of your posts - meh, whatever - quit all forms of gambling, and do it immediately.

All the best.

Gaslighting at its best! Amazing to what lengths people would go to troll riggies. Must be a very rewarding experience! Good thing is that I do not really need to latch onto anything; you are throwing bones to chew on, appreciated, but everything that makes sense is just meh, I get it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Everything fake - I am devastated Perhaps you are a fake too?

KemiKings is a fake troll? Is he a fake or a troll? If he is a fake troll, then he is not a troll at all.

I think the world is not entirely full of fakes, and what I hear, read and watch about online poker being rigged does not cost me anything. Fake poker sites, on the contrary, cost me a lot of money over the years; they are the ones who really got something form me, and keep getting, like the machines they are. Hope they realize one day, they will be better off without the rigging, if they are still around.

Some people think you are a fake, but I do not. I do know that people like you believe hard at things you want to hear, and many times those will be said by people with false agendas (like that affiliate site you probably made hundreds of bucks for in the day).

That dusty blog post you linked - that was probably done by a genuine riggie, as were the whiny posts of riggies saying they were quitting poker after losing a coin flip. That jungmat guy you dismissed is a genuine character. This thread has a ton of genuine riggies, and you can see a list of the different type here

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=84039


Thing is, just because a bunch of people scream something does not mean it is true. If it did then the Earth is flat, we never landed on the Moon and Lizard People are overlords of us. Do you believe in those, because a simple google search can find all sorts of people who do believe in that stuff.

I am amused at your attempting to bring more recent debate language (whistle blowers, gaslighting) into your theory, but your mis-use of them is pretty jarring . You aint a whistleblower (you have no evidence), you are simply a consumer of a product with a paranoid theory. Still, you can believe in what you like, even people trolling you or being fake to you, if that makes you happy. I would be pretty amused if Kemi engaged you to see how you react, but I do not think he will do that as that will pretty much ruin the character he is trying to achieve here during breaks from his nano games. Still, keep trying with him and see what happens!

If you want the fake poker sites and the evil massive infrastructure to stop making money off you then do what I always tell you to do (rare genuine advice you get, that you always ignore) - quit all forms of gambling.

All the best.

I know this guy is trolling, but I have to admit I do have a lot of time for this sentence