Now you realize it. Nothing anyone says in this thread should ever be taken seriously.


This site is pretty much as "regulated" as the other sites you were talking about. Also, you played on UB/AP almost a decade ago when the bonuses were everywhere and the games were very easy. Seriously, that is like comparing your skill at a sport playing against grade school kids vs college players.

That is pretty much standard riggie operating procedure. Selectively see and remember things and create a pattern in your head without any proper documentation (which would be easy with hand histories) and create a theory for it. This is why there are a ton of different riggie theories, many of which contradict each other. You see wrong stuff at Bodog and not at Stars. Other riggies see wrong things at Stars but not Bodog etc.

You ever see one of those cartoons or skits of a silly device with all sorts of moving parts and things flying in the air and bouncing each other for minutes with the end goal being a pot of coffee pours some coffee into a cup? That is the type of world you create with your riggie beliefs instead of simply picking up the pot and pouring.

They are not equally possible. They are not equally practical. However, I do understand when people like you need to believe in them existing, and you have the right to do that. Other riggies will belive in exactly the opposite based on what they see and remember, because they created a different world to pour their coffee in a complex manner.

All the best...

The bolded is quite a stretch. Maybe a small increase is possible, but for a lot of trouble and risk. The normal variance of poker does a pretty good job of churning the money into rake. Which is one big reason sites can find better and easier ways to increase profits.

example: 3-4 hours into a tourney they will limp 68 in early position in a larger 50$+ buy in event... then get 3 bet from mp then 4 bet jam from another position and they will call off 50+ bbs with this hand and hit the nuts against people who have premium holdings. Now I've spoken with some of my friends who play about this and the ones who are on the "shill" side of things say that maybe that person was tilted cause they just busted from another tournament and they were just spewing....which I guess could be the case if I didn't see this sort of thing happen with high regularity on this particular site.... I guess what I'm trying to say is that these players/bots who have played for hours to get where they are in the tourney all of a sudden make a super wretched spaz move that seems to end up with the nuts at a pretty high frequency against premium holdings.

These instances stand out to any player who sees them (there was a beauty yesterday in the Carbon Deep stack $3.50 where a player called AI with 75s against a deep stack raiser for close to 20 BB and ended up winning a 3 way pot when he hit a straight. This was after registration had closed.) and in the moment it happens, the immediate reaction is to say "there is no ****ing way that guy would CALL there without knowing he was going to end up good."

But when I see this kind of thing I take a deep breath and remind myself that is no real sense for the site to rig a tourney this size (or any size really). Now if it came out that this player had a sister who worked for the site or some other similar circumstance, then I would at least want to learn more about that specific player but as astounding as I find these plays, I still can't bring myself to think of them as some kind of conspiracy.

Rather I am reminded that someone playing in such a fashion probably has a very different reason for playing than I do and getting AI with a good size stack with zero FE and a hand that is 30% at best and then winning that hand might be better than winning the tournament. Everyone plays for different reasons and at these tiny stakes, I never want to discount the "**** it, I'm hammered and that guy raised again so I'm going to either win with this crap or I'm going to bed" strategy. I think that a million times more likely than any conspiracy involving the site itself.

So today I couldn't win a hand.....anyone want to take a wager that tomorrow I won't lose. Not only thst I will run hot as hell. The coincidences of online poker... they never miss that chance to keep everyone around even. Rigged as hell

Once again it comes down to this. Every sample u guys got is of some idiot doing some idiot thing and it's a lot of example......yet they tell us that our win rates are lower cuz the games are tougher. So I ask again......we think it's rigged due to more bad beats but how can that be if the players are all better? Can't be both......either we get more bad beats cuz players are awful but thst should actually increase out win rates yet it doesn't. Something does not sound right to me

Even more evidence that responding to jungmit is a waste of time, as this was already answered:

Nobody is making a wager with you, you are a liar.......................

You even lie about wanting to make a wager.

In theory a betting line can be created for how many prop bets he will propose this year that he will not carry out on when accepted. Think he had 3-6 last year, so 4.5 would seem to be a fair line (including this one to start the count).

I certainly would accept this latest bet of his that he claims will not lose a hand when he plays, assuming he plays at least 12 hands for the day at a full table of 6 or more people. He will not accept of course, and even if he did then we get into the whole he does not understand escrow thing again, and in the end he will just lie and say he did not lose as "proof" of his theory with zero evidence.

The key is - will he do this silly prop bet routine 3.5 or more time for 2017 - that is what the bet really is...

This is the point. The answer is no good. If u play the smallest stakes online u probably still won't have as good a win rate as live. So beginners start at the smallest stakes which is fine , then why online do they do better? This is the question u never answered

Thanks

No problem. At this point we may as well make a game of your routines given you are incapable of learning or change. Now it is just a matter of guessing how often you do what you do.

The unfortunate thing is you do seem to have a need to interrupt genuine new riggies when they visit the thread to post their concerns or observations, so you may be secretly a shill trying to get the new riggies frustrated so they never come back. You cannot prove otherwise, though you should consider offering a prop bet on that.

All the best.

That's interesting. So you're saying you are going to win tomorrow and considering you are a losing player pretty sure that if you propose a fair wager you will get action.

I will see if I can upload a screen shot. $1,000 says I am not a losing player?

That is 2 prop bets that you will never follow up on. Now you just need 2.5 more for me to win my over 4.5 wager, so keep up the good work!

Because you are helping me win my wager I will tell you how to use your lose one day/win the next day rig to your advantage.

Play very low stakes and when you have one of those days that you "cannot win a hand" you know you can play at the highest stakes the next day when you "cannot lose a hand." Very nice that the sites use your timezone when resetting the day, but that is the benefit when you identify a personalized rig with you as the main character. Follow my suggestion and you can easily make tens of thousands of dollars or more per day (on the winning days), while losing only pocket change on the losing days as long as your rig beliefs are true.

No need to thank me, but you can do a "thank you" reply as that seems to be part of your latest schtick, and once you latch onto something you rarely let it go.

All the best.

It's been answered ad nauseum but as with everything else it has to be explained to you every time you forget, so since I'm bored and killing time at work I'll oblige.

The answer, you silly person, is that when you play online your winrate will be much smaller than your winrate live but you have the ability to play a ****load more hands.

Let's pretend two players both play 200NL. Player A plays 8 hours on Friday and Saturday nights at his local card room and has a 16 bb/100 winrate. Player B plays 16 hours a week 8 tabling online and has a 4 bb/100 winrate.

They both play the same stakes, for the same amount of time, and Player A has a winrate 4 times Player Bs, so who wins more money? For simplicity's sake we'll say Player A sees 40 hands per hour (he plays at a place with fast dealers and players) and Player B sees 40 hands per hour per table because he plays on a site with 12 max NLHE.

So your answer because u are able to play more tables online your win rate is gonna be less then live? So what if I played only 1 table online u saying my win rate would be the same? Probably not right. So why is it less. It can't be the players cuz if the players were better we won't be complaining about all these bad beats. So which is it? Players better make our win rates smaller, we play more tables that make our win rate smaller? What is the answer?

Aint no prop bet and he does not have to escrow. Bet me I am a loser and I will upload my graph and if u decide to pay off fine, if not no problem. I cant force him to pay me

Also this is what I already do monty. I play bigger on good days smaller on bad days this is why I can show u a winning graph.
Thank for the help tho

jungmit is the kind of person that thinks 100 is the maximum score on an IQ test and is quite happy about getting a 70% score.

No, your winrate is smaller because the competition is better. This must be the 40th time someone's told you thin in 2017. Better competition. Only rigtards complain about "all these bad beats", everyone else just accepts variance and lives their lives. BETTER COMPETITION.

Kind of hard to answer a question you never asked, and pointless to answer a question that is based on what is more than likely a false assumption. Or do you have anything to back up your suggestion that online .01/.02 is tougher than live 1/2?

But if it is true, then as others have pointed out, the answer is obvious - tougher competition. To which you would reply with the question of why there are more bad beats online, which is based on another questionable assumption.

So, if you assume that:

1) .01/.02 online is tougher than 1/2 live; AND
2) You suffer a higher rate of bad beats at .01/.02 online than 1/2 live (note I said higher rate, not more - an important distinction)

then you have an interesting question, and it being rigged isn't necessarily the only answer. But that's two pretty big, unproven assumptions you're making.

Do you think we could get the escrow worked out before tomorrow?

I don't know if it's rigged or not. You see some crazy stuff sometimes on ignition, but I also know some people that grind out a living on it. So who knows.

Other day I saw an UTG player raise and the BB 3bet him with AA. UTG player went allin and obviously was called. UTG player had 46o and hit two sixes on the flop.

So it's possible to grind out a profit on it I would say. Just be aware of the users out there that are hitting crazy hands like that and don't tangle with them. Could be dude was on tilt.....or could be he simply knew the cards coming. You be the judge.

lol

So how can u simultaneously have more bad beats and tougher competition?

Who was comparing 1 cent to $1-2m

Just because a player grinds out a living does not mean it's not rigged. Since day 1 u said better players will still win money. My stance is they win less then they should do to a possible rigging

I'll sit and wait while you prove that you experience more bad beats than you should.

Thank you for your valuable contribution to the thread.

I agree completely, but good luck proving it. Even if you can prove it, good luck having something done about it.

If he or anyone could prove it then there would be no luck needed to "get things done." When proof has been offered on super users or bots or collusion things got done. Riggies do not prove anything, and most like that guy do not even have saved hand histories.


Well, I would say you are slow to understand basic concepts, and have likely been burdened by that your whole life, with the only benefit being you are completely unaware of how slow you are in general.

Whether you are a "loser" or not is subjective, but I doubt many would declare you having a winning personality, so this is another prop bet offer that you should properly ignore after making it, and add a few more and I will win my prop bet!


Who cares about a graph that you will not know how to upload and could just be someone else's graph. You do lie about everything, so why not this? Also, who cares about a graph of a segment of play when the bet is whether you are a loser in general or not. If you like you can start a poll with the question being "Am I a loser?" and see the replies.

You still do not get it. You should play nano stakes on the bad days and once you identify the "good" days you should deposit all you can and play the highest stakes you can, because you cannot lose a hand on those days.

If you only have lets say 6 "good" days a month you should still be able to make hundreds of thousands of dollars on them once you identify them. I know I could if a rig like that actually existed and I was aware of it. I bet you that your graph will not show you make that .

All the best.