They don't benefit from this at the time it happens

OK. In my excitement to reply to that post, I skipped over your previous one.
What are your respective winrates? Presumably if the idea is an evening out effect and they do it by making players win and lose different amounts of money instead of different amounts of hands the winrates would be adjusted accordingly.

"Over the span of a couple of days several times i have had AAs and KKs cracked in ring games and MTTs against an opponent that flops a smaller pair and calls a big bet/shove on the flop"

That is not exactly a bad way to talk about it but you cant just pick some random event and think it is rigged, and if you had enough experience, you would not be posting this kind of bad beat strories but you would give an overall view and later you would not even give that perhaps. A random event is when you pick some specific period to observe, like when you start somewhere or when you split your 10k and 100k hand periods and compare them after you have like 10 of each. The graph is your friend but do consider increased feel and stats for all, and the rake.

What we need is a condom, a complete ev tracking software. The sites say their rng is clean, but you dont agree, and with enough experience you know it isnt clean and that you have no condom. You take the risk, see the **** that is beyond doubt by far and you then just look your graph and think if it is worth to continue playing. As a tip, i recommend not to play too long at any lower limit but move up there sooner than you should and do your more playing elsewhere.

The better your opponent is the less the rig makes a difference.

It's a slightly smarter sounding way of saying "You have to see all the hole cards to know if it's rigged or not" or at least I'm pretty sure that's what he's angling at.

Kinda hard to tell sometimes with the random gibberish sprinkled throughout the post.

Evening out the game does not mean it will be even. Anonymous tables are an attempt to even the game. Random seating in a sng is an attempt to even out the game. It's still not gonna be exactly even. All these attempts are made to bring a winners win rate down .if I win 10bb/100 maybe with out the attempts at even I would win 20bb/100. Who knows right ?

I think we can rule out that online poker is rigged by the simple fact that it would be incredibly difficult to come up with a sophisticated algorithm that can "rig cards for action". And it would have to be consistent and stealthy enough so software that analyzes hands and statistics wouldn't be able to catch it. We have millions of hands through out the years from all major sites with countless people analyzing them and datamining games, nobody has discovered anything fishy yet.

That is not a problem (since "action hands" do occur "naturally" often enough, they could simply skip the Rng and deal predetermined hole cards and boards without anyone being suspicious as long as they don't overdo it) but as you said yourself:

I think there have been some people who have found fishy things but they are quickly dismissed by most people as simply variance or not having enough hand histories.

I'd like to see this then.

Me too. I've watched this thread for years waiting for someone to post any evidence that the deal is fishy. None yet.

Actually there are people who have mined/analyzed several billions of PS hands (not millions). Don’t expect to see them posting here though.

Believe it or not but seems the players are dynamically segmented into several “player groups” by PS internal algorithm. Each segment then gets whatever PS decide the segment deserves – this includes not only promotions, free tournament tickets etc. but also good/bad pocket cards, good/bad run, coolers and bad beats, everything. The sizes of the segments are quite interesting as well, Gauss will be very disappointed if you try to convince him it is a normal distribuiton.

Then there is also the so called river card syndrome. Based on billions of hands players from the “doomed” segments are losing a lot because of the magical river card dealt. Hands where the player is >80% fav to win the hand is actually losing it in about 60% of the time due to a “magical” river card. It becomes even more insane if you remove the hands where the players are all-in at the river. Now more than 70% of the hands that go to showdown are lost by the “doomed” segment player who was ahead before the magic river. Billions of hands analyzed. This syndrome is valid only for the river card, the turn card usually works as expected, even a bit in a favoure of the "doomed".

There are few forums in the dark web where the guys are posting their findings, trading HHs etc. Go and check.

Are these the same forums where you distribute videos of yourself? You know, the ones where you insert giant objects into your anus? Asking for a friend.

That makes sense - I'm sure not even one of them would want to come on a forum like this one and blow the whole scandal wide open.

Not saying that they are all correct, not saying that I (don't) believe them. Just saying there are such things there. Evidences or not I dont know. Maybe all the thing is fake, maybe it is not. They are also discussing what one should do in order to be in the "blessed" segment (or atleast not to be in the "doomed" one). Sounds fishy to me as well, but who knows...

Ah, I thought you were suggesting they were posting these claims with evidence. If not, it's not particularly newsworthy, as we have dozens, if not hundreds, of people making a variety of similar claims right here in this thread.

That's easy. Sacrifice a goat while the moon is full and drink its blood. But you need to make sure that you drink ALL of its blood. If you don't, the doomswitch will be doubled.

BBV discovered that long before the dark web, hence their constant suggestion to fold rivers.

Hopefully those in the spooky dark web will "run to the light!" to this thread and expose all of the nasty poltergeist rigs. Would be appropriate for Halloween, and much better than being eaten by a tree.

All the best.

I'd be interested to hear why they are spending so much time and effort on analysing billions, not millions, of hands and yet keeping their results a dark secret. Why don't they just move to another site, (assuming at least one site doesn't rig the hands), and play a fair game?

Well, I can only guess that the reason behind is the fact that these guys are making some really good money of that. It obviously pays quite well to analyze billions, not millions, of hands eventually finding the patterns of "how to play (or other behaviour) at PS" so the "algorithm" to put you into the "right segment".

Drinking goat's blood or doing something else, no clue (yet), but it is a secret for the public and for sure not easy nor cheap to get an access to these forums and the data available there.

Anyways, just wanted to add this info here. Everyone is free to believe in whatever they want.

That´s what stupid people tend to end their claims with when they can´t rationally support them.

Sorry. I thought you were reading these dark web forums and would know the dark secrets therein. Was it jungmit who told you of their existence?

I am, but only the "first level" - the threads that are opened to almost everyone. The "claims" I've posted above are mentioned there.
Unfortunatelly I dont have access to the "most real stuff" (yet).

Now if a stupid person like me was able to find them, I'm sure smart ones like the readers of this thread are able to do that as well. Unless they think it is a waste of time as everything that happens in our virtual poker world is abs normal.

Actually most probably it is really normal. Even HyperNormal.

(trying to end the post with something that stupid people will usually not say, but its not easy, so...)

Everyone is free to believe in whatever they want.

Cheers.

Links?

To save us all some time, if you are planning to claim "You can't link to darknet sites", that's bull****.
If you are planning to claim "I forgot the address", we will assume that you are just another trolling moron.

But since you could have posted the links a long time ago, I'm not holding my breath. Rigturds and proof are like vampires and garlic.

You can't link to darknet sites and also I forgot the address. Still hold you breath, the garlic is coming soon.

Ah that's convenient. You know you could just printscreen and post pictures of the content right? Rigtards always go into great detail showing their lack of intelligence but when it comes to actually proving anything it always seems impossible and even the slightest effort isn't made.