Yes, if they were regulated they may still b doing who they did.


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All the best.

Cool respone. U seem like a real winner at life. But hey I dont judge so. I hope u just do his stuff as a joke and it's not really your life.
Be well

i'm still doing her...and she loves it...that's what she said.

But r u regulated?

yes, sometimes her sister comes by and joins in... to uh, (ahem) oversee the proceedings...

"were unable to withdraw due to DOJ actions" ?????
Really. You actually believe this. Really???
The money was stolen by the owners. There was no money to cash anyone out. Jesus Ferguson tried to wire the last 15 million of customer funds to his own account. The "online pros" of this period were basically playing with funds stolen from cash players.
First time New Old Guy gets caught spewing BS in a thread.

Also, Pokerstars only paid Full Tilt balances so they could legally get back in the US. They were known as "bad actors" for trying to circumvent US banking laws. Their owners were facing criminal charges. The Full Tilt Brand basically had no value or actually negative value.

And all the balance have not been paid yet. They still making disbursements

I didn't excuse anything management did and still don't, but the fact is that before Black Friday when the DOJ seized everything, rarely did anyone have problems withdrawing from Full Tilt. We only knew after the fact that the company had been spending player deposits because most of their incoming cash flow had been locked up in seized processors, by the DOJ. And so when they were shut down they didn't have the funds to refund players, because the DOJ had already seized those funds in transit under UIGEA. If our government had never tried to ban something that they since admitted was never illegal to begin with, none of it would have ever happened.

I don't think this part is right. The DOJ has since issued an opinion that it is not illegal under the Wire Act. However, I believe that the Black Friday case was not brought under the Wire Act, but rather was brought on the theory of it being illegal under New York State law (not the Wire Act) and the violation of New York State law triggered the UIGEA. To my knowledge, whether or not it actually is/was illegal under New York State law hasn't been definitively settled since it doesn't seem completely clear and the case(s) didn't make it to a ruling. And I don't believe any governmental body has since issued an opinion that it is not illegal under New York State law.

Actually it's not a moot point. His point was if there was regulation they would not have been able to do stuff like that in the first place

You're right, they went shopping to find a state to bring the indictment, but that was after they had been freezing processors for months claiming UIGEA violations. Which requires a gambling law violation to happen first before it can be invoked.

It's a fair point that Full Tilt was not under a jurisdiction with a requirement to segregate player funds from operating funds. Poker Stars is under such a jurisdiction, but Full Tilt was not back then.

Seems fair to say that if the current UK regulation was in place back in 2011, there may well not even have been a Black Friday as FTP and Stars would have been required to be much more open with their finances. Basically, they wouldn't have been able to pass US poker deposits off as golf ball purchases if they wanted a UK license so they'd have been forced into a decision as to how / whether to continue to accept US deposits, and the DOJ might not have needed to step in and tidy it up.

At the very least, regulation such as now exists in the UK would have made it much more difficult for Lederer, Ferguson et al to steal the player funds post BF.

No idea what all this has to do with the rigging of a randomised dealing mechanism, but hey.

This ****ty pokerstars site is so full of **** i can't take it any more. Last 2 days people hit the <10% river 20+ times on me, i m literally going insane.

The thinking is if they would steal 300 million dollars could it be possible they would rig the deal?

So you want to debate whether or not a site that has been closed for 4-1/2 years rigged the deal?

Of course it's possible. It's possible Russell's teapot is in orbit too. And just as useless to know it's possible. It's possible every site that exists today rigs their deal too. But so far there is no evidence that they do, or that Full Tilt did. And nobody in this thread has ever said they are certain any deal is not rigged. Of course it's possible. Is that the extent of your position, that it's possible? Ok you win.

Finally some progress. That is all I ever said. Run some checks for stuff I recall happening a ton and see if we find anything. If not fine. If we do we got a place to start. I never said for sure it's rigged. I just said all sites use their own algorithms so it's possible some may be doing stuff to even off games. And some may be outright rigged. Who knws?

If you request I can post a list of a lot of stuff to check based on the beliefs of other riggies. No doubt hundreds or thousands of theories can be made up to test, just like you made up your stuff. However, if you and other riggies will never do any actual work to prove your beliefs then other than amusement material for this thread they will never be anything of consequence.

Here are a couple things to test from the list for instance.

"Live Poker is Never Rigged" Riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=62127


"Live Poker Is Always Rigged" Riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...huffle-276002/

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8152840AAGeIp6



Party is Rigged, Pokerstars is OK Riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...igged-1276965/

Pokerstars is Rigged, Party Poker is OK Riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=614



888 is Rigged, Stars is Not Rigged Riggie

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=66193

Stars is Rigged, 888 is Not Rigged Riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=75516


Rigged for new players riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=71438

Rigged against new players riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=71412
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=71416




All the best.

People with a Brain get it. Most people lose at poker so the have to blame something,we get it. Fact is some theories may be right. Of course new player, cash out, big chip stack, russians, etc things are stupid.

You may be getting smarter as you go here.

and that is where proof comes into play. As you can see from my small list there will be all sorts of theories, many of which completely contradict each other. Add in ones that guys like you make up from memory, along with genuinely crazy people theories (mind control and such) and you have thousands and thousands of theories.

State a theory. Test it. Show your proof. Otherwise your weird trips/top pair theory is just as whatever as a Russian rig theory or an invisible hyper bot theory, except yours can be easily proven if it was true. That makes theories like yours weak, because they would be easy to prove.

All the best.

Really? This is progress for you? That is all you ever said? Equal to Russell's teapot? So basically, anything that hasn't been definitively proven as untrue is believed by you to be likely true?

No u got it wrong. Anything not definitively proven to be true is believed to be likely untrue by you

That at least makes more sense than the other way around.

But also, I've never said nor indicated that. Something certainly does not need to be definitively proven to be true for me to understand that it could possibly be true. But there are certainly levels. For example, Russell's teapot has never been definitively proven to exist and I do believe that it is extremely unlikely that it exists. But there may be other things that have not been definitively proven to be true that I would not feel so certain are not true. One factor that may influence my thought is the amount and quality of evidence given that such thing is true. I'm sure there would be several other factors also though.

Your definition of "theory" is tilting me.