It depends which of your theories you want to test.

If you want to test how many hands you lost AIPF with AA, test however many you have already and state the numbers here. The stats guys will tell you to what degree the numbers are significant. Others could post their stats for that test on their HHs.

And so on, with your next theory.

Or, you could test nothing and simply keep whining as you have done so far.

Oh, how I wish that particular theory could be true.

You are absolutely entitled to whatever opinion you need to have to make yourself feel better, but you need not worry about me taking offense, because opinions from randoms I have never heard of have zero significance. Still, congratulations for sharing those inner feelings, and if you need to unburden more to get full emotional closure then go for it. I understand that is what people like you need to do at times, and as always, I am here to help people like you.

By the way, if you happen to have an actual opinion about the sites being rigged or a creative riggie theory of your own then consider sharing that as well since that is what the actual thread is about.

All the best.

critical thinking is way above what youre capable of......

How do you guys expect anyone to take you seriously when you just make things up?

LOL tl;dr didn't read LOL

I wouldn't take you seriously.

Solid response. However, I'm not concerned about whether you take me seriously, as I'm not trying to convince anyone that things I've made up are actually true. I generally try to avoid making things up.

A tip for the future - when you make things up, if you want anyone to believe you, try something that isn't proven untrue on a daily basis on these very forums (Cereus superusers, colluders, bots, etc.).

Some of guys speaking here, the way they are speaking,is not for the interest of players, but for the interest of poker sites.

That is why you feel something is wrong.

I mean they never want a normal discussion,but attack, laugh at you, trying to shut down your voice.
I mean they way they says things, is usually from guys with inherent resentment to you, or with conflict of interest with you.

The claim that any rigged programs would be immediately discovered by outsides is ridiculous, and is really making things up.

The goal of a rigged game is, if that rigged game does exist, to reduce winning players' winning, not to prevent them from winning, not to making a losing player become a winning player.

So the change don't have to be dramatic.
I mean if a program changes average player's winning from 10BB/ hand to 5BB/hand, outsides really can discover?

That is like saying those who do not believe in the 9/11 conspiracy are speaking for the interest of the governments secretly behind the attack. Some people just like having fun with paranoid people, while others like to try to reason with crazies using logic. The latter approach rarely works with riggies in this thread, so I just opt for the former.


You presented 3 rigs that you believed would work, but they were really simple and would be caught easily. Sorry if that is not what you wanted to hear, but that is your issue.

You want a reasonable discussion - no problem.

Propose a theoretical specific rig
Test for it in a proper manner
Present your data


You would be pretty much the first riggie to do that in this thread.



The rigs you proposed would be LOLeasy to detect. If you propose that Stars rigs one hand even 100,000,000 dealt then yeah I agree that would not be detected, but who cares - it has literally no impact.

Many riggies believe it is rigged for the sake of it being rigged, but given that a company will have to spend a good amount of money creating and covering up the rig then it should be assumed that the goal is for it to make significant money that is worthy of those costs and risks, which means the rig will have to be fairly substantial. Most riggie theories would not even make the companies money.


Easy peasy. Using Stars as an example they have tens of thousands of players on at a time, so likely hundreds of thousands of different players, playing all sorts of games, in near infinite combination of players each week or month.

All you need to do for your easy rig is have someone program it so they know who is a "winning" and "losing" player and somehow change the hands they all play in all the games without it being detected, and without anyone behind the rig telling.

How for instance would you rig it against a guy who each week plays a couple thousand Holdem Zoom hands, some Razz cash game hands, some low buy in SnGs and some MTTs. Assume he is a winner in some of the games and not all. Use that person as an example as to how you would rig it over a month in a way that will never be detected.

After that do it for hundreds of thousands of other players in a way that constantly changes to adapt for the different winners/losers at each table.

There you go, a normal request based on your assumptions, so feel free to answer with specifics in a reasonable manner, since you are craving a "normal discussion."

All the best.

PokerSCAM continues to rain the 'coolers' and the 'bad beats' on me. This just isn't explainable by normal variance.

Today I've got QJ in the cut off, I raise it up, some ****ing donk in the SB calls (he doesn't know that you're supposed to 3bet or fold from the SB), which gets the BB to call too. Anyway, I flop the nuts, it's 89T rainbow so I'm feeling good. I fire off a 3/4 pot cbet, both the donks call, turn is some blank like a 3, anyway I fire again, the SB does he stupid click it back minraise, BB folds, I shove, SB donk calls it off. He flips over pocket ****ing eights.

His first mistake: calling rather than 3betting preflop.

His second mistake: Should have raised the flop on that wet board.

His third mistake: Being a ****** and doing the minraise thing.

Of course, PokerSCAM rolls off a 9 OTR, giving him a boat. Absolutely ridonkulous. The donk is rewarded for poor play every single time on this scam site. He gets all the money in the middle at the time in the hand where he has the worst equity, and PokerSCAM gives him a miracle card.

When will this bull**** end? Players need to unite, march on PokerSCAM, and DEMAND a truly independent audit of the RNG. It's outrageous after all this time, we still only have that biased Citigal audit every year. Let's get some proper experts in who truly understand what they're doing.

PocketQueens2

You posted this back in April:

Why do you keep playing there?

Stop being lazy and do it yourself.

Or at the very least, tell me how to filter for it in HEM2 and I will do so. But I'm not going to spend the time figuring out how to do all the filters you want to check.





Also, this didn't last long:

Made it one week.

If you think a 23% draw on the river is a miracle card then poker is not for you.

I'd probably call in the sb with 88 there too, subject, of course, to specifics that you did not share. I may have led the flop though, again subject to specifics that you did not share, and if I were to check, then I'm almost definitely check/raising.

Citigal may be the most respected company in that industry (is definitely up there anyway). I'm pretty sure they do a bunch of work for the U.S. military or Department of Defense or something too. So I sure hope they can be trusted to audit a poker site's random number generator honestly.

The standard is to 3bet or fold from the SB against late position raises, everyone agrees on this except this ****ing donk who has never watched a poker video in his ****ing life and still thinks it's acceptable to press the call button when in the SB in 2015.

Then he continues his ****** move with his check/call on the flop then a donk mincheckraise on the turn. It pisses me off so god damn much when they do that min checkraise ****. Quit defending this guy, he's obviously a mouth breathing piece of **** donk, and I deserved that pot. PokerSCAM stole it from me and gave it to the donk.

I have no trust of Citigal as they have failed to uncover PokerSCAM's rig despite it being obvious all these years. We need a new auditor.

Just checked: Since January 1, 2014, when either the CO or the BTN opens (and if the CO, then the BTN does not call) and I am in the SB, I have called 8.16% of the time.

Looking at just this year (2015), I have cut this down to 6.55%. And I don't think it is just some variation in the numbers. I think I have started calling less in some situations fitting this criteria.

Not lazy
1. No knowledge of how to do it
2. No software to do it
3. Complete waste of time even if I find it's rigged....I am sure my sample size will be too small

Just got one question. How come when u guys a lnalyze 150k hands it proves no rig, but when a riggies does it it's too small of a sample..just wondering

maybe stop posting about a subject you admit to knowing nothing about then?

Pick a specific theory and post it and ask every riggie to test for it with each of their databases of hands (some must understand how to use software).

Post a similar request on riggie friendly forums and websites where riggies hang out like Pokerscout

That is the beauty of statistical testing when you have a specific riggie belief - you do not have to limit it to just your database. You have no limit (pun intended) of riggies who want to believe you and may help once you give them something specific to test.

I will even toss in a $5,000 reward if you (or a riggie buddy of yours) can definitively prove that the RnG at a major site such as Stars, Tilt, Party has a rigged RnG.

That reward must be worth it for you to simply post a specific theory to test, and to ask other riggies to help. Be the riggie leader that riggie culture has needed all this time!


All the best.

Attaboy.

1. Stop being lazy and telling me to learn how and do it. You learn how and do it.

2. You already paid for HEM and either have it or can download it whenever.

3. You don't know how sample sizes and standard deviation work apparently. See #1.

No idea what you're talking about in your last paragraph.

Links to these analyses?

Please read what is written. I already told it's not possible with out seeing hole cards

Ask pokerstars they sent me 2 links. Do your own work I am not goingto do it for you

really can't work out whether this jungmit guy is trolling or legitimately stupid. If trolling, wp sir