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Old 08-08-2009, 03:01 AM   #7551
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qpw did u find analysis of those hands that I sent you suspicious in any way?
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Old 08-08-2009, 03:50 AM   #7553
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Somebody, please explain to me how it's possible for the principal investors or owners of an online poker site ( O.K., I'm talking about Full Tilt) are allowed to play on their own site.
And do you think the top brass at banks all bank with someone else?

How ever do they overcome the temptation to move other people's money into their own accounts?
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Old 08-08-2009, 04:13 AM   #7554
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Stars is one of the sites that allow one to win a full amount for at least 50k hands at any limit. I played there ever since they started their business. But after that and especially since December in 2006, they started to use a balancing system against the better players, who will not be able to win even the worst players in the world until they are tilting. Stars however, might let one win two hours per day, but one won't win anything after that even if one plays the easiest games all day.

Fulltilt sure had some intro cards when I started there in 2006, but not many, and the problem there seemed (I have better places to play at) to be that when the (real money - the play money could be just the opposite) cash game has 4+ player, the looser as well as the loser players get proportionally more luck than the better one's, and was the exact reason why I stopped playing there at those numbers.

At Absolutepoker, if one is a new experienced player, one gets intromoney and wins on fire for a short time; I played sit/go limit holdem heads up tournaments about 40 and won about 90% of them, and before I played them I tested at play money heads up and was on fire. But then it stopped and I instantly stopped after seeing that two tournaments and went to test at play money, and the same extra bad beats were there too.

I have played shorthanded limit holdem at BOSS media network and Action poker network and I couldn't win (or at BOSS I couldn't win only in fishy shorthanded limit holdem games) , though I didn't play all that much, but I tried even play money at action poker network (at stars the play money games are not rigged, they are under random cards, but at other places they might be under the same cards) and the beats were more than they should be.

I have played at cake network and won at shorthanded limit holdem about eight big bets per 100 hands in my 1st 8k of hands, that's not abnormal for me when I am running not bad, but I think one is on fire there when one starts, and after that I was playing break even the next 5k of hands, getting the extra beats similar to pokerstars, and that is so a familiar style how it has been happening the last ten years ever since it started to happen at paradisepoker in 2000, where everyone else also were getting the beats (they even put one to lose practically every hand, not too sophisticated) and couldn't win even at the easiest games.

So, I don't mean one can't win money, but there are these points when one should put most of one''s time of playing always where one is running good. The additional points are to move up faster, not going to get one red flagged for very high win rates/amount. And then there are some forms that one can't beat, but at others one still does, e.g. the games that have less players (that form having less players) might be protected, balanced, and the more fish there are, the more their combined extra luck factor makes winning up to impossible, but supershort one might still beat them in spite of their extra luck. One also should observe the hottest players and avoid them, it being that they are still on intro money or their luck factor is marked higher at that time at least. So, it's not only about poker, but about all these other things (and the rake, rakebacks and more) that one also needs to beat.

If you don't do as well as I do, then you either are having real bad beats as fluctuations, or are not as good for the limit as you think you are.

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Old 08-08-2009, 04:22 AM   #7555
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Stars is one of the sites that allow one to win a full amount for at least 50k hands at any limit. I played there ever since they started their business. But after that and especially since December in 2006, they started to use a balancing system against the better players, who will not be able to win even the worst players in the world until they are tilting. Stars however, might let one win two hours per day, but one won't win anything after that even if one plays the easiest games all day.
What a load of old bollux!
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Old 08-08-2009, 05:43 AM   #7556
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Stars is one of the sites that allow one to win a full amount for at least 50k hands at any limit. I played there ever since they started their business. But after that and especially since December in 2006, they started to use a balancing system against the better players, who will not be able to win even the worst players in the world until they are tilting. Stars however, might let one win two hours per day, but one won't win anything after that even if one plays the easiest games all day.

Fulltilt sure had some intro cards when I started there in 2006, but not many, and the problem there seemed (I have better places to play at) to be that when the (real money - the play money could be just the opposite) cash game has 4+ player, the looser as well as the loser players get proportionally more luck than the better one's, and was the exact reason why I stopped playing there at those numbers.

At Absolutepoker, if one is a new experienced player, one gets intromoney and wins on fire for a short time; I played sit/go limit holdem heads up tournaments about 40 and won about 90% of them, and before I played them I tested at play money heads up and was on fire. But then it stopped and I instantly stopped after seeing that two tournaments and went to test at play money, and the same extra bad beats were there too.

I have played shorthanded limit holdem at BOSS media network and Action poker network and I couldn't win (or at BOSS I couldn't win only in fishy shorthanded limit holdem games) , though I didn't play all that much, but I tried even play money at action poker network (at stars the play money games are not rigged, they are under random cards, but at other places they might be under the same cards) and the beats were more than they should be.

I have played at cake network and won at shorthanded limit holdem about eight big bets per 100 hands in my 1st 8k of hands, that's not abnormal for me when I am running not bad, but I think one is on fire there when one starts, and after that I was playing break even the next 5k of hands, getting the extra beats similar to pokerstars, and that is so a familiar style how it has been happening the last ten years ever since it started to happen at paradisepoker in 2000, where everyone else also were getting the beats (they even put one to lose practically every hand, not too sophisticated) and couldn't win even at the easiest games.

So, I don't mean one can't win money, but there are these points when one should put most of one''s time of playing always where one is running good. The additional points are to move up faster, not going to get one red flagged for very high win rates/amount. And then there are some forms that one can't beat, but at others one still does, e.g. the games that have less players (that form having less players) might be protected, balanced, and the more fish there are, the more their combined extra luck factor makes winning up to impossible, but supershort one might still beat them in spite of their extra luck. One also should observe the hottest players and avoid them, it being that they are still on intro money or their luck factor is marked higher at that time at least. So, it's not only about poker, but about all these other things (and the rake, rakebacks and more) that one also needs to beat.

If you don't do as well as I do, then you either are having real bad beats as fluctuations, or are not as good for the limit as you think you are.
HAI GUISE. I HAZ PLAYD ON ALL DA CITES AND I CAN TELL WHERE THEYRE RIGGED AND WHEN THE RIGGING HAPPENS BASED ON WHEN I HAZ TROUBLE WINNING. THIS IZ SIENTIFIC PROOF.
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Old 08-08-2009, 08:37 AM   #7557
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Stars is one of the sites that allow one to win a full amount for at least 50k hands at any limit. I played there ever since they started their business. But after that and especially since December in 2006, they started to use a balancing system against the better players, who will not be able to win even the worst players in the world until they are tilting. Stars however, might let one win two hours per day, but one won't win anything after that even if one plays the easiest games all day.

Fulltilt sure had some intro cards when I started there in 2006, but not many, and the problem there seemed (I have better places to play at) to be that when the (real money - the play money could be just the opposite) cash game has 4+ player, the looser as well as the loser players get proportionally more luck than the better one's, and was the exact reason why I stopped playing there at those numbers.

At Absolutepoker, if one is a new experienced player, one gets intromoney and wins on fire for a short time; I played sit/go limit holdem heads up tournaments about 40 and won about 90% of them, and before I played them I tested at play money heads up and was on fire. But then it stopped and I instantly stopped after seeing that two tournaments and went to test at play money, and the same extra bad beats were there too.

I have played shorthanded limit holdem at BOSS media network and Action poker network and I couldn't win (or at BOSS I couldn't win only in fishy shorthanded limit holdem games) , though I didn't play all that much, but I tried even play money at action poker network (at stars the play money games are not rigged, they are under random cards, but at other places they might be under the same cards) and the beats were more than they should be.

I have played at cake network and won at shorthanded limit holdem about eight big bets per 100 hands in my 1st 8k of hands, that's not abnormal for me when I am running not bad, but I think one is on fire there when one starts, and after that I was playing break even the next 5k of hands, getting the extra beats similar to pokerstars, and that is so a familiar style how it has been happening the last ten years ever since it started to happen at paradisepoker in 2000, where everyone else also were getting the beats (they even put one to lose practically every hand, not too sophisticated) and couldn't win even at the easiest games.

So, I don't mean one can't win money, but there are these points when one should put most of one''s time of playing always where one is running good. The additional points are to move up faster, not going to get one red flagged for very high win rates/amount. And then there are some forms that one can't beat, but at others one still does, e.g. the games that have less players (that form having less players) might be protected, balanced, and the more fish there are, the more their combined extra luck factor makes winning up to impossible, but supershort one might still beat them in spite of their extra luck. One also should observe the hottest players and avoid them, it being that they are still on intro money or their luck factor is marked higher at that time at least. So, it's not only about poker, but about all these other things (and the rake, rakebacks and more) that one also needs to beat.

If you don't do as well as I do, then you either are having real bad beats as fluctuations, or are not as good for the limit as you think you are.
This post should win a prize, for self-delusion if nothing else.
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Old 08-08-2009, 08:48 AM   #7558
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Stars is one of the sites that allow one to win a full amount for at least 50k hands at any limit. I played there ever since they started their business. But after that and especially since December in 2006, they started to use a balancing system against the better players, who will not be able to win even the worst players in the world until they are tilting. Stars however, might let one win two hours per day, but one won't win anything after that even if one plays the easiest games all day.

Fulltilt sure had some intro cards when I started there in 2006, but not many, and the problem there seemed (I have better places to play at) to be that when the (real money - the play money could be just the opposite) cash game has 4+ player, the looser as well as the loser players get proportionally more luck than the better one's, and was the exact reason why I stopped playing there at those numbers.

At Absolutepoker, if one is a new experienced player, one gets intromoney and wins on fire for a short time; I played sit/go limit holdem heads up tournaments about 40 and won about 90% of them, and before I played them I tested at play money heads up and was on fire. But then it stopped and I instantly stopped after seeing that two tournaments and went to test at play money, and the same extra bad beats were there too.

I have played shorthanded limit holdem at BOSS media network and Action poker network and I couldn't win (or at BOSS I couldn't win only in fishy shorthanded limit holdem games) , though I didn't play all that much, but I tried even play money at action poker network (at stars the play money games are not rigged, they are under random cards, but at other places they might be under the same cards) and the beats were more than they should be.

I have played at cake network and won at shorthanded limit holdem about eight big bets per 100 hands in my 1st 8k of hands, that's not abnormal for me when I am running not bad, but I think one is on fire there when one starts, and after that I was playing break even the next 5k of hands, getting the extra beats similar to pokerstars, and that is so a familiar style how it has been happening the last ten years ever since it started to happen at paradisepoker in 2000, where everyone else also were getting the beats (they even put one to lose practically every hand, not too sophisticated) and couldn't win even at the easiest games.

So, I don't mean one can't win money, but there are these points when one should put most of one''s time of playing always where one is running good. The additional points are to move up faster, not going to get one red flagged for very high win rates/amount. And then there are some forms that one can't beat, but at others one still does, e.g. the games that have less players (that form having less players) might be protected, balanced, and the more fish there are, the more their combined extra luck factor makes winning up to impossible, but supershort one might still beat them in spite of their extra luck. One also should observe the hottest players and avoid them, it being that they are still on intro money or their luck factor is marked higher at that time at least. So, it's not only about poker, but about all these other things (and the rake, rakebacks and more) that one also needs to beat.

If you don't do as well as I do, then you either are having real bad beats as fluctuations, or are not as good for the limit as you think you are.
One should post analysis of ones hand histories and stop posting ones ill thought out opinions as fact because it makes one look stupid. I wish one was on fire.
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Old 08-08-2009, 09:52 AM   #7559
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that post makes me sad every time it is quoted.
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HAI GUISE. I HAZ PLAYD ON ALL DA CITES AND I CAN TELL WHERE THEYRE RIGGED AND WHEN THE RIGGING HAPPENS BASED ON WHEN I HAZ TROUBLE WINNING. THIS IZ SIENTIFIC PROOF.
HEY, NFUEGO, U IZ DE MAN!
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Old 08-08-2009, 11:31 AM   #7561
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how do B&M Cardrooms do it then?
way less hands

people dont go to a casino to deposit

its mostly tourists who drop off their money

casinos have higher rake

casinos have other revenues

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way less hands

people dont go to a casino to deposit

its mostly tourists who drop off their money

casinos have higher rake

casinos have other revenues

on and on and on
How does higher rake help your argument?
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Stars is one of the sites that allow one to win a full amount for at least 50k hands at any limit. I played there ever since they started their business. But after that and especially since December in 2006, they started to use a balancing system against the better players, who will not be able to win even the worst players in the world until they are tilting. Stars however, might let one win two hours per day, but one won't win anything after that even if one plays the easiest games all day.

Fulltilt sure had some intro cards when I started there in 2006, but not many, and the problem there seemed (I have better places to play at) to be that when the (real money - the play money could be just the opposite) cash game has 4+ player, the looser as well as the loser players get proportionally more luck than the better one's, and was the exact reason why I stopped playing there at those numbers.

At Absolutepoker, if one is a new experienced player, one gets intromoney and wins on fire for a short time; I played sit/go limit holdem heads up tournaments about 40 and won about 90% of them, and before I played them I tested at play money heads up and was on fire. But then it stopped and I instantly stopped after seeing that two tournaments and went to test at play money, and the same extra bad beats were there too.

I have played shorthanded limit holdem at BOSS media network and Action poker network and I couldn't win (or at BOSS I couldn't win only in fishy shorthanded limit holdem games) , though I didn't play all that much, but I tried even play money at action poker network (at stars the play money games are not rigged, they are under random cards, but at other places they might be under the same cards) and the beats were more than they should be.

I have played at cake network and won at shorthanded limit holdem about eight big bets per 100 hands in my 1st 8k of hands, that's not abnormal for me when I am running not bad, but I think one is on fire there when one starts, and after that I was playing break even the next 5k of hands, getting the extra beats similar to pokerstars, and that is so a familiar style how it has been happening the last ten years ever since it started to happen at paradisepoker in 2000, where everyone else also were getting the beats (they even put one to lose practically every hand, not too sophisticated) and couldn't win even at the easiest games.

So, I don't mean one can't win money, but there are these points when one should put most of one''s time of playing always where one is running good. The additional points are to move up faster, not going to get one red flagged for very high win rates/amount. And then there are some forms that one can't beat, but at others one still does, e.g. the games that have less players (that form having less players) might be protected, balanced, and the more fish there are, the more their combined extra luck factor makes winning up to impossible, but supershort one might still beat them in spite of their extra luck. One also should observe the hottest players and avoid them, it being that they are still on intro money or their luck factor is marked higher at that time at least. So, it's not only about poker, but about all these other things (and the rake, rakebacks and more) that one also needs to beat.

If you don't do as well as I do, then you either are having real bad beats as fluctuations, or are not as good for the limit as you think you are.
Great Post! you got all the puppet shills that monitor this thread all riled up by telling the truth!
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Old 08-09-2009, 12:04 AM   #7564
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Great Post! you got all the puppet shills that monitor this thread all riled up by telling the truth!
correct, I am a shill for every single one of those sites mentioned, we're all in it together and have different approaches for rigging you out of your money
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Great Post! you got all the puppet shills that monitor this thread all riled up by telling the truth!
Ooooh!

Someone's got a shiney new gimmick account.
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qpw did u find analysis of those hands that I sent you suspicious in any way?
I can tell you what the answer will be: "NO." Don't ask shills for advice...
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Ok, let's take them one by one:

1. Personal experience: do you have a database, poker tracker, etc, that shows results grossly outside of expectation? Or are you basing this just on memory?

2. Friends: do your friends have any data to back these allegations up?

3. bloggers: do they have any actual evidence other than bad beat stories?

4. The 700 others: have they done any analysis to show they are getting more bad beats than they should? Do they even know how often these should happen?

The fact is: if the RNG is rigged then, as discussed in this thread, it should be provable. If its not provable then how effective could it be in boosting the companies bottom line?


You sound fairly intelligent,your not implying the only way to manipulate a game is by rigging the RNG are you?
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Great Post! you got all the puppet shills that monitor this thread all riled up by telling the truth!

Yea Ben it will give them someone else to insult and belittle,A live forum with a few of these guys would be something worth paying for..But I would imagine they would be on the very best behavior!
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You sound fairly intelligent,your not implying the only way to manipulate a game is by rigging the RNG are you?
Thank you for the compliment! I was feeling a little hurt ever since that bucketperson called me stupid for misreading his omaha hand.

I do not think that the RNG is the only way to manipulate a game. There are many nefarious ways for sites to potentially screw their clients. However, the topic of this thread is whether the RNG is rigged. Discussions of other types of cheating belong elsewhere.
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I can tell you what the answer will be: "NO."
ROFLMAO.

Tell you what, Nostradamus, why not try making predictions about something that has not already happened?

(The answer, 'No' was directly under the question IdiotBoy quoted.)
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Old 08-09-2009, 04:26 PM   #7571
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nearly all sites track the games including whole cards at sample to see games that qualify for the bad beat JP. Sure noone of the employees use this software to increase there income..its so safe .

Random cards yeah...believe that. Its so easy to create a bit action and to increase the rake. Risk for the site...look to AP and UB they are still alive.
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So is it safe to go back on teh internets again? Did all you super-sleuths get a raging clue and stop all the evil scammers at Stars and Full Tilt?

Or what's the point again?
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nearly all sites track the games including whole cards at sample to see games that qualify for the bad beat JP. Sure noone of the employees use this software to increase there income..its so safe
Yeah, I'm sure the sites are constantly scanning hole cards for BBJ hands and don't just have an algorithm built into whatever they use to determine the winning hands. I mean, it's just so much easier to constantly scan every hand at every table than to have a check at showdown that goes "if losing hand ≥ aces full of jacks then BBJ else nothing".
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Random cards yeah...believe that. Its so easy to create a bit action and to increase the rake.
And yet no one has any proof of it. Crazy.
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Random cards yeah...believe that. Its so easy to create a bit action and to increase the rake. Risk for the site...look to AP and UB they are still alive.
The games today are tighter then those lady's who work for the catholic church i wish they would juice em up a little as long as everyone is getting juiced.
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And yet no one has any proof of it. Crazy.
Well that just proves they are rigging the deal!

Otherwise why would they go to so much trouble to ensure there's no proof?


(Well, it worked for the liars Bliar and Bush. )
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