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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown
Look at the stats 2+2 has compiled so far. More than 38% who have voted think that it is in fact rigged.
It depends exactly what people mean when they say "rigged".
Some of the people who claim it is rigged in this very thread have claimed that Aces come too often. Others say that Aces come not often enough. These folks both pat each other on the back and agree that it is rigged, when they both can't possibly be true.
Of course, the data confirmed that Aces come on the flop just as often as expected.
There are other people in this thread who have used the AP/UB episodes as evidence of online poker being "rigged" even though that's not "rigging" in the context that we're talking about here.
Others may consider that
some rigging by some random little site is reason to vote 'yes' - there were threads on here about some random tiny site running bots.
I think it is incredibly unlikely that any significant online poker operator deals cards in a non-random fashion. I think a better question would be:
"Are the cards at major online poker sites shuffled and dealt randomly?"
I suspect you would have a higher proportion of people saying that yes, the cards were dealt randomly. I think that is a fair question, but also much clearer to people voting. I don't think it particularly advantages either "side" in this discussion.
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This is just a small sample, but people who search out 2+2 are players who are bit more serious than the casual player, so I think there is a good chance that the statistic could be credible. Although this is the Rigged thread, so that could be weighing things more than normal in the rigged direction than usual.
Absolutely this would be the case. There are tens (hundreds?) of thousands of online poker players who are members of 2p2, and the very fact that so many people play online poker is in itself evidence that they trust the operators to not steal their money.
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As for the comment about not being terribly clever, it sounds like you are a hired online pokersite troll. You guys seem to use insults instead of being constructive. I have read some of your contributions in the past, they are not too terribly insightful.
It's pretty awesome, I think, that the only person (that I know of) who is employed by a poker site in this discussion is actually discussing these issues with you seriously.
Even
that rigtard theory is disproved by the obvious evidence in this thread.
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As for your curiosity, I am just looking into whether or not online sites are manipulating the programming. I am just now starting to look for information about this so that I can make a determination for myself about whether or not I should use my 149 points of IQ for something more productive. I love poker, but I dont like getting ripped off. I have enough personal experience with online poker to be concerned. I check everything out that I get myself involved in.
I think you
should check out this stuff. I think you
should question the sites that you play at.
After all, you pay rake to use their services, and any service that you use has an obligation to explain stuff to you.
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Originally Posted by Rob Easy
I play on stars and I've gotten into the habit of assuming if someone is reraising my pocket pair, they have a higher pocket pair.
I play on a site other than PokerStars, and in different games, that may or may not be true.
I'd strongly encourage you to look at actual data on the 3-betting ranges of your opponents: some of my opponents 3-bet with 2% of their hands, and other's 3-bet with 40% of their hands. It's pretty obvious that some 3-bet only with their big pairs, and some 3-bet with a lot more different hands.
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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown
I am going to fund a friends account, ask him to play while using a nice software tracking tool. I guess I am going to have to spool through thousands of hand histories...that is going to be hard with a full time job and a full time girlfriend...
Well, post your hand histories up here and get someone to look at the data for you.