^^If I accepted my gut feeling as evidence I wouldn't be reading everyone else's opinions. 5thstreethog if my gut feeling told me you were a hater, is that wrong?

If you choose a 50k hand sample where dealt ppaa every single hand is that enough evidence? If the 50k hand sample is perfectly normal is that conclusive proof that it is not rigged? If it is 50 million hands and is off by .1% as to how many times super premium holdings are dealt preflop is that enough proof? What if you take 5 billion hands and it is exactly on par? But than you take the next 5 billion hands and add that to the first 5 billion and again the numbers are distorted based on what the percentages should be??!?! Who said I was reading the entire thread at once?

I want to see proof that "The reality is that it is very easy to determine whether something is extremely out the the norm statistically and it doesnt take a imaginary sum of hands to do it." Bust out some numbers.

Accusing me of being very masochistic indicates you aren't as smart as I thought you were. 6407 posts and hating harder than the 50-or-less-posters. I am not masochistic.

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If there is anything I learned from the first 40 pages, I only identify with a handful of "riggies"(people who think it possibly could be rigged) out of hundreds.

For someone who has problems with my words I sure wish you would choose yours more carefully as it is hard to rebut opaque ramblings.

Bobo, sorry for the nonedits.


Quote:
Originally Posted by suitedandzooted View Post
No amount of data will ever truly be large enough if collected from just one account to say if it is truly variance or not.
Bobo:
Absolutely, completely, and indisputably false.

Why is that false? I have read that there are way over a trillion ways that all of the cards could be arranged in a single 9 handed omaha high hand. If that is true (which I'm not sure that it is, but I believe it is close) then I would assume(with a reasonable margin of safety) that there simply haven't been enough hands in the history of online poker to truly see if everything has happened as often as it should by calculated percentages.... 52x51x50x49x48x47....etc. My calculator won't go that high lol.



This is such a fun debate.

You are obtuse.

Im putting you on ignore.

I hope that was clear enough for you to understand.

Good luck.

Is this a serious question from someone claiming a 120-130 IQ? You really can't think of any data samples from just one account that would truly say if it was variance or not? If so, you're either being deliberately obtuse, you have nowhere near a 120 IQ, or you need to get a good night's sleep in the hope that you'll be thinking more clearly tomorrow.

You guys have been acute on pointing out how obtuse that person is, even though I admit I never had the reflex to read what he believes is straight and right.

Sorry for the angle shoot...

yeah that pretty much sums it up.

I don't think they can actually fix it. Remember it's a computer dealing cards.

I will try and see if it isn't really random or it's me seeing problems where they don't exist. Today from 14 to 16GMT I'll record 2hours of 4 tabling $0.35 6max ST (yeah I know very high variance). If it proves to be in fact "unrandom", I will upload it to youtube and post link here and you will have to agree with me that it isn't random, no excuses otherwise this is useless.
If it proves to be me I'll admit it and come here to tell you. It is a small sample but I believe it will be enough.

Do you agree ?

You have stiff competition for youtube riggies:

Youtube riggie:: (be sure to click his advertisements to make him some money):

http://www.youtube.com/user/magic612/videos?view=0

A different youtube video riggies like quite a bit (and it features a much better accent)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3tv-1rBJeY

My review of that video that riggies will like less (so they can selectively ignore)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=56626


Here is a video showing someone get 10 flips in a row that are the same (sort of...), and they even landed on the "lighter" tails side!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1uJD1O3L08




so not sure what you expect your video to prove. Just come up with a theory as to how it is rigged and you test it in your database of hands, and if it shows a large standard deviation from expected results we have others test it with their databases for confirmation, so simply uploading a video and saying it looks unrandom is a bit lacking. Some riggies post 2 hands as proof in that way.

Here are examples of how an actual stats riggie did his work


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...hould-1299786/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...isive-1293249/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...untry-1123425/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...uency-1116343/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...omaly-1007942/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...l-play-985031/



Also, on the hands you linked before the angle riggie spam, some of them just showed trips or a full house, not quads.

All the best.

Almostshark, you need a waaaaaaay bigger sample (100K hands at least)

That 8 table hours is even remotely close to a sample that is indicative of...anything? No, of course not.

yeah I guess you're right. Better just post my allin equity over about 500 tourneys.

http://prntscr.com/304bj1
http://prntscr.com/304bw1


So I "should" be winning 4.78x more is this right ? Isn't this immensily high ?

All-in chip equity for MTTs is basically meaningless. Rainbow Warrior posts a link to some threads discussing this, though I am not sure where they are at this time.

Your demon is not rigging or equity, its your mental game, as you started to address in this thread you created yesterday

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...-tilt-1424916/


Back in the good old days of casino bonus whoring, where a ton of free money could be had (with discipline) there were people who simply could not handle a bad run of luck, and whenever that would happen they would just spew their entire bankroll chasing their losses.

Realistically you probably should not be doing any forms of gambling (and I am being genuine here) with your mindset, but if you do you need to set strict game limits (on Stars you can exclude yourself from certain games for instance).

Your freeroll observations and EV thing are just you trying to rationalize away your extreme tilt. You are not a genuine riggie, rather you are an extreme tiltmonkey, and perhaps post in the psychology forum as well for help.

All the best.

1- This are SNG's not MTT. This only has like 4 MTT's here
2- I've been playing $0.35, not moving up with $50 roll even with all the badbeats.
3- Is it that hard to accept PROOF that you guys were asking for that this is unlikely ? Pls stop giving excuses and admit this is weird. What is proof for you anyway ?
4- Thanks for trying to help

The brain can not always be trusted to make the correct conclusions or decisions, no matter how smart or intelligent you are. Like in the optical illusions. Best is to except that and move on and work on ones game.

Hope this helps.

I already told you. Create a theory and test it using mathematics from your hand history database. The stats guys in the probability forum can explain how some of that testing is done, or you can google it. If you have results that are greater than 3 standard deviations from expected then we test your theory with other databases of hands to see if it exists in other samples.

That is how actual proof works, and I even linked you threads from a stats riggie so you could see how someone who wanted to find a rig went about that type of work.

You tossing up a youtube video of a small sample of hands or posting your beliefs or meaningless graphs (without proper testing or context) is not proof.

Whether proof is unlikely or not is meaningless, the process to produce the work is not complicated and few riggies even attempt it, so taking their beliefs (which as my long list showed vary quite a bit) is of minimal value in terms of proof.

Hope that better explained to you what "proof" means and for what it is worth nobody expects you to provide any in the future.


All the best.

I don't agree. That would prove nothing.

Please record how you play, I wanna see how you fail at the .35$ tables.

Define "unrandom".

50% ITM
18% ROI

You do better with (1:4.78)=(Chips won:Net expected chips won) then you can talk.

Until I see proof that you can achieve this, I will consider myself better than you and I don't care what ur excuse is. Kiss

Could you please provide a full hand history (with hand number) of the hand of which you think it was the best played hand in your career?

Could you also provide an explanation of your thoughts during the hand?

Don't bother, we know you won't do it...

Also: How can you reach a roi like that if it is clearly rigged against you???

Could you please provide a full hand history (with hand number) of the hand of which you made the best bluff in your career?

Could you also provide an explanation of your thoughts during the hand?

Don't bother, we know you won't do it...


I'm sorry where's your graph ? can't see anything from you, only stupid posts


I don't keep track on "best hands". All my hands are played perfectly

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Could go into further discussion, but I'm not going to waste my time on this bull****.

I love you guys, never seen me playing but keep talking like if I were fish. You're bad persons

(was kidding about playing perfectly [but I do])

I'm not a shill. It's really quite offensive to suggest that I'm a shill, when there have been a bunch of discussions about my employment in this thread, discussed it in dozens of posts in this thread, dozens of threads elsewhere in this form, and even a whole thread dedicated to it.

Given that we've discussed that I work for PokerStars several times in this thread, over dozens of posts, it's hardly a secret.

It's similarly not a secret that I have another account on 2p2, including:
PokerStars Michael J - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/111384/

And my original 2p2 account, aujoz, which has been dormant for 6-and-a-bit years - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/31176/

There might be some other random one-off joke account that I might've made at some time.

no one, not even the best players in the world, play their hands perfectly

1) nobody believes that anybody plays perfectly.
2) come on, ALMOST perfectly at best. you're still only an ALMOSTshark

I have friends and instructors that crush 5/10 and beat the highest games online that admit to making errors every session.

Badbeat and AlmostShark struggle beating NL2 and .35c S&Gs and believe they play perfect poker every hand.

Gotta love it.