The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 2747 - Internet Poker

I don't understand why you think that you're so important that pokerstars is treating you differently. There are millions of players on stars, tens of thousands online at a time, but you think they are choosing you out of all those people and picking on you.

You just aren't that important. You are a number, a bum on a seat. That is all. When you finally lose all your money and leave, they won't even notice. Going by the way you present yourself here, the same will occur when you die.

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03-10-2014 , 06:38 PM

#68652

Bobo Fett

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Because he's a megadonk or a troll. No other possibilities that I can think of.

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03-10-2014 , 06:41 PM

#68653

superfire444

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10 big blinds and he shoved K-high bvb and got upset someone called and he lost while on the bubble?

1. you could have folded
2. how did you even get to the bubble
3. you think they let you bubble a tourney so you won't play cash --> why not multitable?
4. don't you think that if it were rigged, more people with their massive databases would notice?
5. still waiting for your 100k+ hand sample proving it's rigged

Spoiler:

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03-10-2014 , 06:45 PM

#68654

Bingo_Boy

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

Seems a bit strange I went out just before I won any money though, doesn't it?

I'll tell you what really happened. Pokerstars wants to keep me away from the cash games, as they know I am better than everyone else there and they don't want me to win. So they allow me to progress further than normal in the tournament in order to waste my time and mean I won't spend as long on their cash games. But they don't want me to actually win any money since that's all been reserved for fish. So they bust me out right on the bubble.

A) If they want to keep you away from the cash tables, how is rigging tournaments the way to do it? It caused you to say you were going to stop playing tournaments. Do they know you're a stupid addict?

B) You claim they rig cash games too so surely they want to get you there as soon as possible to get your money flowing to the fish and generating some rake?

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03-10-2014 , 06:51 PM

#68655

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Originally Posted by unluckyone

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Originally Posted by superfire444

I was the short stack and this guy was raising ATC from both SB and BTN. I couldn't just call and play postflop because 10 big blinds, so I shoved, thinking I was ahead of his range. Which I was, he called with a ****ing 78 ffs, I was favourite, but Pokerstars were like 'no, the donkey is gonna win this one'.

That same guy had won all the time in all ins, and he was a terrible player. He got it in with JJ vs QQ and sucked out. He called an A9 shove with 56 and sucked out. There were a couple more where he got it in as a coinflip and won both. Then there was my hand. The guy was a massive chip leader and had no skill whatsoever.

Yeah I could multitable, but if I'm playing a tournament that means I play one less table of cash. Pokerstars doesn't want me on their cash tables, they known I'm better than the fish there so they have to keep screwing me to ensure I don't win and they'll be worried its becoming too obvious (BTW Stars, it became obvious a long time ago).

There needs to be a class action lawsuit from all the players screwed over by Pokerstars. They've cheated us all for far too long in favour of rewarding donks.

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03-10-2014 , 06:54 PM

#68656

BadBeatEveryDay

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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy

Because if I get knocked out in the first hand of the tournament I stop playing the tournament quickly. If I sit there for 2 hours and get knocked out on the bubble that's 2 hours less cash game time I've played.

Of course they rig both game systems. But it's more obvious when cash games are rigged which is why they prefer to rig tournaments. In tournaments because there's more all in situations they just have to make you lose one and you're out. In a cash game you rebuy so they have to screw you much more than one time to get money flowing to the fish.

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03-10-2014 , 07:15 PM

#68657

superfire444

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

They don't have to personally assign someone to your account each time you log in. They just assign certain accounts to their 'doomswitch' and once you're on that list you'll never win anything. It'll be set to bubble tournaments if you're playing them, since Pokerstars would prefer to screw you in tournaments than cash games (they only have to screw you once in a tournament to knock you out, but in a cash game they have to keep doing it since you can rebuy, which makes the rig more obvious).

I was the short stack and this guy was raising ATC from both SB and BTN. I couldn't just call and play postflop because 10 big blinds, so I shoved, thinking I was ahead of his range. Which I was, he called with a ****ing 78 ffs, I was favourite, but Pokerstars were like 'no, the donkey is gonna win this one'.

That same guy had won all the time in all ins, and he was a terrible player. He got it in with JJ vs QQ and sucked out. He called an A9 shove with 56 and sucked out. There were a couple more where he got it in as a coinflip and won both. Then there was my hand. The guy was a massive chip leader and had no skill whatsoever.

Yeah I could multitable, but if I'm playing a tournament that means I play one less table of cash. Pokerstars doesn't want me on their cash tables, they known I'm better than the fish there so they have to keep screwing me to ensure I don't win and they'll be worried its becoming too obvious (BTW Stars, it became obvious a long time ago).

There needs to be a class action lawsuit from all the players screwed over by Pokerstars. They've cheated us all for far too long in favour of rewarding donks.

since you're the best micro-stakes player you're probably loaded but why didn't you fold on the bubble if you wanted to cash so badly?

also if you playing cash + you being rigged = rakemania for stars so why not knock you out earlier in the tournament so you can go play cash and generate some rake for stars (you losing to the "donks" (they are better than you) causes a rakefest right?)

logic isn't your strongest point, i guess

by the way everyone here is going to believe you that pokerstars and online poker is rigged if you can provide proof. if i am going around and claim that a flying spaghetti monster exist no one is going to believe me either if i don't show any prove

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03-10-2014 , 07:21 PM

#68658

Baobhan-Sith

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

Pokerstars wants to keep me away from the cash games, as they know I'd bust my roll in no time and, since I can't get over my addicition, insta re-deposit.

FYP

brilliant theory

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03-10-2014 , 07:26 PM

#68659

superfire444

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nice one baobhan, good fix.

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03-10-2014 , 07:28 PM

#68660

BadBeatEveryDay

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Originally Posted by superfire444

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Originally Posted by Baobhan-Sith

FYP

brilliant theory

I would be a solid winning player if Stars wasn't rigged. Try again.

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03-10-2014 , 07:33 PM

#68661

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

I was the short stack. The onus was on me to chip up to ensure I cashed. Besides you should play to win not to mincash. I knew Stars wouldn't let me win anyway though, they'd already decided I was going out on the bubble before the tourney began.

They don't want me on cash game tables because I would be the best player on those tables so they have to rig it hard against me and it becomes obvious. What part of this don't you get? They'd rather rig tournaments rather than have to perma rig the cash games to give the donks I'm playing a fighting chance.

how exactly would it be obvious? you played cash before so i'm not sure what you're talking about? also you claim it's rigged but we have yet to see proof. therefor it's safe to say that the site is not rigged

I would be a solid winning player if Stars wasn't rigged. Try again.
isn't this admitting that you suck?

no proof no rig bro

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03-10-2014 , 07:34 PM

#68662

Tucco

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

I would be a solid winning player if Stars wasn't rigged. Try again.

No you wouldn't.

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03-10-2014 , 07:37 PM

#68663

superfire444

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i would be a solid loser if stars was rigged. try again

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03-10-2014 , 07:41 PM

#68664

BadBeatEveryDay

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I don't need to provide proof it's damned obvious just from watching the gameplay at Pokerstars that it's rigged.

If it wasn't rigged, the best players on the site would have high winrates. I am the best microstakes player on the site. My 'winrate' is in the negatives. How is that explainable except by rigging, as I've played a good number of hands, over 80k, so it's not a sample size problem.

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03-10-2014 , 07:50 PM

#68665

NewOldGuy

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

so it's not a sample size problem.

I think it's an IQ problem.

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03-10-2014 , 07:53 PM

#68666

otatop

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

BS, you are a totally obvious shill.

Trolls gonna troll.

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You try and silence the truth about rigging in this thread all the time.

Only in this thread is asking for evidence to back up outrageous claims considered trying to silence truth.

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03-10-2014 , 07:56 PM

#68667

BadBeatEveryDay

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Originally Posted by otatop

Trolls gonna troll.

Only in this thread is asking for evidence to back up outrageous claims considered trying to silence truth.

There's plenty of evidence is you would just keep an open mind. Look at all the youtube videos about pokerstars been rigged. Type 'online poker rigged' into google and you'll get loads of results. Go to any lower-microstakes table and sit there and ask the players whether the site is rigged.

The truth is out there, you just have to be willing to see it.

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03-10-2014 , 08:32 PM

#68668

superfire444

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even when volume doesn't matter (it does), there are still more people saying its not rigged

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03-10-2014 , 08:45 PM

#68669

NewOldGuy

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Originally Posted by superfire444

even when volume doesn't matter (it does), there are still more people saying its not rigged

If you look outside this thread and outside his fevered imagination, probably well over 90% of online players are comfortable that they are getting a fair game.

Guess we're all just sheep.

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03-10-2014 , 09:26 PM

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Baobhan-Sith

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

I would be a solid winning player if Stars wasn't rigged. Try again.

But according to you it is rigged, which is why you lose, and you can't stop playing nontheless.

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

They don't want me on cash game tables because I would be the best player on those tables so they have to rig it hard against me and it becomes obvious.

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My 'winrate' is in the negatives. ... I've played a good number of hands, over 80k

Who cares except like 100 multiaccounting riggies and trolls biasing the poll? Nothing obvoius to see ITT due to lack of proof.

God is also rigged btw. He made you gambling addicted and by the same time too lazy and too dumb to improve.

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03-10-2014 , 09:43 PM

#68671

Tucco

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

Do you understand the difference between a claim and evidence?

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03-10-2014 , 10:10 PM

#68672

BadBeatEveryDay

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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy

If you look outside this thread and outside his fevered imagination, probably well over 90% of online players are comfortable that they are getting a fair game.

Guess we're all just sheep.

Bull****. Out in the real world loads of people think online poker is rigged.

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Originally Posted by Baobhan-Sith

But according to you it is rigged, which is why you lose, and you can't stop playing nontheless.

That's like saying someone who knows drinking alcohol is bad for them, but yet still has a couple of beers on a Friday is an alcoholic.

It's about degree. If I was tiltshoving every hand at 100nl as soon as I got paid then it'd be an addiction. Losing a few buyins at 2nl is not.

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Originally Posted by Tucco

Do you understand the difference between a claim and evidence?

I don't claim online poker is rigged, I know it is.

What is your explanation behind my losses over 80k hands at 2nl then, despite the fact I'm the best player on any table I sit at?

Inb4 you suck at poker and the fish are better.

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03-10-2014 , 10:46 PM

#68673

Monteroy

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You say the rig helps losing players.

You are a losing player.

Imagine how much more you would lose without the help of the rig.

Easy way to beat the bubble MTT rig theory, since you believe they wait to screw you. Simply shove every hand for the first hour where they want to keep you interested, and 10 minutes before the bubble you start timebacking/stalling/folding every hand, which you can do with the stack you gained from the non-rigged portion of the tournament.

You should make a fortune with this exploit if your beliefs are true!

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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay

Bull****. Out in the real world loads of people think online poker is rigged.

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayer66

Standard deviation is basically opinion since not all information is known.

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Originally Posted by vegasbound99

I did not say that I had not made my mind up I was simply saying that I wanted to debate with my already made up mind.

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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers

Yes everything in the US is rigged , they put stuff in the water to keep people subdued , they have hidden cameras everywhere , they are watching , they are monitoring this site right now , you could even be an agent for them.

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Originally Posted by lolpotodds

'Fact' might have been too strong if you're going to take it literally.

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Originally Posted by lolpotodds

I cba providing hand histories because you'd all work out some way to 'interpret' the data so that it could be explained by 'variance'. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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Originally Posted by PokErasmus

Please keep short your saying and do not reply by writing long novels,
I have no time to read it, in fact I don't read more than the begining lines from your
long nonsense and you are just wasting your time.

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Originally Posted by RMC11

As a postgraduate in computer science with an emphasis on statistics and mathematical modelling
(in short, predicating sediment movement using symbolic aggregate approximation, yes it really is as exciting as it sounds)
I have always been taught that most people overestimate the necessary sample sizes required for accuracy and in fact the true size needed is actually on the small size. Nobody can prove if it is rigged, one way or another. However as a species we need to go back to believing what our eyes see and trusting our instinct. Therefore I'm out of online poker, goodbye.

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Originally Posted by Acryl2

i dont have the ultimate conspiracy theory that makes total sense.

Hope all of this helped. and good luck on your riggie/troll adventures.

All the best.

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03-10-2014 , 10:53 PM

#68674

BadBeatEveryDay

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Originally Posted by Monteroy

You say the rig helps losing players.

You are a losing player.

Imagine how much more you would lose without the help of the rig.

No, the rig helps donks, who would be losing players, to instead become winning players.

It does this at the expense of the solid players who would be winning players in a non-rigged system.

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03-10-2014 , 11:04 PM

#68675

Monteroy

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So all winning players lose and all losing players win.

Create a new account under a friends name and play losing poker on a different computer, and become a winner due to the rig. This should work under your beliefs unless Pokerstars secretly can see you through the computer. Do you think they can do that?

Win lots of money. Very simple. When will you get started on this?

All the best.

P.S. If you are going to troll, can you at least come up with a rig that is not this easy to exploit. I suggested to you in a message to propose a Daylight Savings Time rig to mess with the shills, but you keep sticking to this base level stuff. Stop being a donk at everything you do - at least troll better!

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