But it was clearly rigged, right? 888 knew you'd never fold QTs in the BB, they knew you'd chase a flush draw that won't get there, and they knew they could give you trips on the river while your opponent had aces full and you'd both be complete mongoloids when it comes to betting.

I'm sure the rake from your $1.47 pot is going straight into the CEO's bonus.

Next time do something other than wait for QQ when you have 7 big blinds.
Ah, but full house over flush or full house over running trips = 100% evidence of rigging. Gotcha.

I'm gonna have to defend lolpotodds on that QT hand. He obv shouldn't be folding at any point there. That being said, who cares, lol 19bb, etc.

All my actions on that hand were played perfectly. QTs facing a minraise = definitely immediate odds to call against a CO opening range. Decent enough flop, even if he has an ace it's well worth a call with my flush draw. Same on the turn because he didn't bet much. On the river I had trips and I've already outlined the possible hands I beat. 888poker made sure it wasn't one of those hands.

They ALWAYS give me a good hand but make sure villain has a better one so I can lose money. For instance, without a spade or another T or a Q, I'm never calling the river there. They just happened to pick one of the cards to screw me over.

You believe every hand you play perfectly. Just post one where it is not this


Not too much to ask as you languish at 4NL the rest of your life.

All the best.

[QUOTE=EvilGreebo;42055227]You flat called a 2-bet with Queens.

u mean raise?

Aside from his K5o mondo-****** hand, I don't think I've ever advocated folding. I never said to fold in the KK vs. UTG hypernit, just that when a gigantic nit shoves on the flop, you can't be super amazed that one pair is no good.

Otatop, you and the other two plus two shills are still continuing your act in the rig thread? You should take your hand analysis to the actual strategy threads where they might do some use, you sound like bible salesmen in here.

I think given your actual poker abilities and stats though your analysis would not hold much value amongst actual good players. Ok, stay in here and serve your purpose

Well if anyone would know, it'd be some duplicate account rigtard.

With that said at least 888poker didn't manage to screw me here. Saw the AA vs KK coming a mile off. They set me up with one every single day.

888 Poker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 107.5 BB
SB: 181.75 BB (VPIP: 18.31, PFR: 12.68, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 71)
BB: 116 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 7.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
UTG: 108 BB (VPIP: 66.10, PFR: 15.25, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 62)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 25.45, 3Bet Preflop: 16.79, Hands: 455)
CO: 106 BB (VPIP: 15.91, PFR: 5.68, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 91)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 4.5 BB, CO raises to 106 BB and is all-in, HERO SNAPFOLDS, fold, fold, fold, fold

CO wins 11.5 BB

How many hands have you played since you posted that 9 days ago?

But that shouldn't bother you, as you don't seem too concerned about improving your winrate. Or are you actually suggesting that your game is perfect, and that you couldn't possibly improve your winrate by playing a single hand differently?

Hmm...given that anyone who critiques your play is apparently always wrong, maybe that is what you're suggesting.

Big surprise that you continue to miss the point. If your plan was to see if you hit 2 spades and you based your odds calculation (LOL, like you actually did one rather than mashing the mouse button over "Call" as quickly as you could) on the flop bet only, you're doing it wrong.

And of course that's not even getting into the ridiculous assumptions you make about your opponent's possible holding, and that you undoubtedly don't factor in the times you're going to lose your stack.

Its just unreal how bad you are...


a losing 5nl player suggesting they don't have to work on their 50nl game to beat it. This is why I read this thread every once in a while!

I'd stake my life on it that the CO would have had AA in that hand. Easy
fold once you're used to 888poker.

At 50nl there's less new players so 888poker don't screw you over as much. Although I'm starting to think they've targeted me personally. The amount of times I get overpair vs set, or overpair vs bigger overpair is outrageous.

There is a really easy solution, one which you consistently refuse to accept. STOP PLAYING ON THE BLOODY SITE IF YOU ARE SO SURE ITS RIGGED...

If its rigged, just give up. You won't beat it, so why the hell do you even bother trying.

If, as you suggest, 888 is rigging the hands, and I am not for one minute suggesting they don't then I can assure you, that there is nothing personal in it. They will attack everyone who they think is stupid enough to keep playing even when they lose. They will attack even more an idiot who knows he is going to lose but still plays, and goes back for more.

So if they are rigging it, then really its your own fault because you give them your money and ask them for the cards..

Honestly, the reality is, if its rigged, then give up and stop playing on the site. As I said previously, I was getting the same on Pokerstars and in the end I just closed the account. Now I couldn't care less if Pokerstars is rigged or not, because they wont get one cent off me anymore. They don't really care if I play or not, so all in all its a win-win all round.

Just do yourself a favour and stop playing on 888 if you know its rigged, because I promise you, if it is rigged then you coming on here posting your evidence is not going to stop them...

He quit already, he just somehow mistakenly ends up logging in and sitting down at tables seemingly 24/7.
See, he just somehow ends up playing unplanned, through no fault of his own. 888's probably so focused on taking back his freeroll winnings they've changed his client to randomly log itself in and join tables, forcing the poor fellow to play their rigged games just to try to keep his money.

No, you did not. This is what you keep failing to realize. You do not have implied odds to hit a flush on a board like A2AJ7. What you have here is the very definition of REVERSE implied odds. A hand that when you hit, will do the exact opposite of winning a big pot, and instead cost you all of your chips.

I already asked you if 888 was rigging the deck (because they somehow know how you are going to play postflop) why do it in such obvious manners? Why dont they just rig the deck with cooler hands like set over set or flush vs flush? Hands where you are expected to get it in 100% of the time. Why do they keep giving you these opportunities to fold on boards where you dont have the immediate nuts?

This is a horrible, horrible fold. WTF are you doing?

"proving" his case

This whole "debate" is a faith vs. science debate. Science has research and facts and charts and countless points of reference. Faith retorts with, "Nuh uh, BECAUSE!" and declares victory.

So the last 100 times I have KK im losing. Every time I get it in pre flop Im either up against aces or ace rag and they hit their 3 outer like there are 10 aces in the deck. Just unbelievable. Totally rigged. The odds of this happening so often are unbelievable. They say running into aces is rare but it always happens. From now on Im folding kings pre, you just lose money with it when its rigged.

Zip up your hand histories and post them here as proof or bull.

just fold every hand you play and you won't ever lose money. That will show them. If you do play a hand and lose, remember it's your mind playing tricks on you, you wanted to see yourself lose so you did.

If it was rigged shouldnt AA be losing?

I just want a fair game. Why is that too much to ask?

Even if it was played badly, it's still 888poker giving me a card that potentially allowed me to be screwed over. Because I'm never calling that 100BB shove if the river is the 2, am I? The spade gave me the potential to lose.

No one's folding trips with a decent kicker on that board to those bets. If they kept giving me set over set it would become obvious, so they do the overpair vs overpair and set over set thing sometimes, but they mix it up with hands like this.

Saving myself from 888pokers rig. CO has a 3bet preflop of 3% and jams over an UTG raise. What exactly do you think he has? Jacks, lol?

My history of all ins with KK proves beyond any reasonable doubt that there is a rig. I am dealt KK when villains have AA an outrageous percentage of the time, but it never works in reverse.

Post your full hand histories or bull****.