You are starting to use "new players" in the same way that conspiracy nuts use "mind control" when they start running out of "logical," quasi-science points about melting steel and such. It is a catch-all to your beliefs, and nothing more.

You gave your data (which is more than most riggies do) so you get a gold star for that, but your data was hardly exceptional, and you dismiss hands you won as "cherry picked" while also posting a few HHs that are similar to your beliefs and defend them as not cherry picked because you are making up opponents being new players in them all (even when you also admit you cannot be sure).

I gave you the blueprint to make thousands of dollars instead of thousands of pennies per year if your beliefs are true, but you will never do it because you lack the courage in your beliefs and also you are pretty much dirt poor due to a general lack of skill. The fact you continue to play at the single site you claim is rigging it against you shows either you are deeply weird paranoid, or incapable of making logical choices (ie: switching rooms or creating a new account under a relative or friend's name), or a massive degen (albeit for pennies), or a combination of some or all of the above.

You should not have poker consume too much of your time since your hourly earnings is measured in less than the spare change a hobo gets when he begs, so as a source of revenue it will never exist for you and as a hobby it will be a frustrating consumption of time, and nothing more.

If you enjoy whining (instead of winning) then that is a valid, albeit a bit dull way to go about this hobby, but you should post future meaningless bad beats in the appropriate BBV forum, and if you do come up with a fresh version of crazy (even as a method to troll if you convert into a riggie/troll) I will be happy to play along for a bit as long as you are entertaining.

All the best.

Can you post some source code to prove your statement? You say "ALL RNG" but I'll settle for just one example that shows what you say is true.

Waiting.......

By the way here are his rigged results with AA and KK

I've seen it asserted round these forums plenty of times that nanostakes are beatable for 15bb/100, which is why when I'm only on 6bb/100 I'm getting suspicious.

Admittedly rake is taking half my winnings but I think the 15bb/100 figure is post-rake.

The thing is I have a lot more big losing hands where I get sucked out on than big winning hands where I suck out on the donk.

Basically, the vast majority of my winning hands are because I outplayed my opponent. The vast majority of my losing hands are where I outplayed my opponent but got donked. I don't suckout on them anywhere near as much as they do to me.

And as for KK and AA graphs - what do they prove? Just about everyones AA and KK graphs will show an upward line. But when I have KK a high percentage of the time someone else has AA, and that is a fact.

Oh look, another guy who fancies himself as a high stakes pro but is probably just a breakeven 25nl rakeback grinder. Did otatop send you?

When I finally break free of the rigged 4nl prison we'll see about that. I reckon I could make $4k or $5k a month pretty easily at 100nl or so. To get beyond that, yeah I'd probably need to work on my game a bit more.

Offering 3:2 on lpo still receiving serious replies from veteran rigged thread shills 60 pages from now, lpo getting banned negates wager. PM me. This is getting funny.

LOL.

Even if I was break even 25NL player (which I am not), I would still be at the height that you would never reach. You will never be a 25NL player. I guarantee that you will never be able to maintain a 0 win rate or above on any level beyond 10NL for significant hand sample on any network, ever in your life until the day you perish. That's a fact.

Just so I can shove this post in your face in a couple of months, and because you shills like to constantly dance around the issue of what is 'significant' - what exactly would you regard as a 'significant hand sample'?

For win rate to be somewhat reliable and not pure luck, usually the minimum sample size to look at in NLHE is 50K hands.

Of course you arent sucking out on people because you arent playing rags against them. If you started playing K5o more often I'm sure you'd suckout more often. Of course you would become a net loser but thats beside the point. You think these guys sucking out on you are winning players moving up to NL25?

Winning at 600BB/100 is pretty much right on par with KK. What are you expecting when you have KK, to always get it in vs QQ or worse?

Forget this idea that you are going to beat the game for 15BB/100. Yeah some people do, some people beat it for more, and some less. Some people beat NL5000 for 15BB/100. 6BB/100 aint all that bad. Dont try to hold yourself to other peoples standards, at least you're winning. The average 4NL player is most definitely losing.

Is online poker rigged or not, no one can never really say it is or it isn't. The ones that believe that it is not rigged flame like crazy and that seems weird but...
If you don't think it's rigged maybe you are a player that depend on luck so you are a winning player because of that, again I don't know because NO ONE can prove for or against.

I'm the kind of guy that likes to experience it for myself and I really don't care about others opinion, at least regarding this topic. I've just started to play on full flush poker, don't really like it because it's more or less a ghost town, but one thing I noticed was the flop. It's very often a rainbow flop and rarely does it make a flush just like the statistic says. (The probability of a rainbow flop is quite high compared to most other poker probabilities: 40%.)
NOW, try open 4 windows of a random 4 hour re-entry tourney on Carbon poker. Around 80% are dobbelt suited flop and a great deal are triple suited with almost all of them making a flush at the end.
Try see how many of them gives straight, flushes and trips, it's very action packed.

AGAIN I can't prove it and don't really care because I just move on but try and see for yourself.


Some people say "why would they cheat?" WELL in a re-entry they make more money the more people re-entry AND they can promise big guarantee tournaments which is a big advantage for them.

So despite how much re-entry sucks because bad players go all in like crazy for 4 hours and re-entry and re-entry and that sucks when you just want to play some poker the RNG REALLY like huge flops and great rivers.

PLEASE don't flame me because I really don't care about your opinion and this is really just some info for people to try and see for themselves. I'm no pro and I'm not even close but I really want to learn the game but CP is not the place to learn because luck is WAY to big a part of the game there.

AGAIN don't take my word for it, open FFP and CP and see for yourself, one is VERY boring and the other is very exciting. I myself prefer boring but not so much that I feel like I'm only one hehe

I can't wait til the day I find the perfect site with good RNG, good payout time, good player pool and which is NOT anonymous ;-)

If anyone has found it please post it!!!!

Your trumpet oinking is irrelevant simply because there is no doubt in my mind, that you're 100% pure troll, and someone's gimmick, posting here for some weird self destructive reason. No one with a mindset like this exists in a real world. No one can claim that he is able to beat 100NL for 4k a month at the same time with stating that 4NL is rigged. The people like that can't function in a real society and usually are under care of professionals.

So please, don't bother proving anything for your own good. You're simply deluded. If you do decide to humiliate yourself even more or just simply to keep up with your trolling, please do 100k of 25NL and if your winrate is at least 0 (which would never happen in the course of your life), I would publicly admit that all the shills conspire against you and online poker is rigged.

You just described PS. Too bad your paranoid beliefs stop you from achieving what you want.

I'll rephrase what I mean by 'sucking out'. I don't mean for instance, villain calling preflop with ATC against my AK, I miss the flop and have to fold when 60% VPIP villain pots the turn. That's pretty standard, albeit annoying.

It's stuff like - when villain has 20% equity on the turn, he'll win more than 20% of the time on the river. When I have a hand with 20% equity, I'll win about 10% of the time on the river. And these are normally reasonably big pot hands too. Think stuff like sets vs flushes where they can river a full house. Or my 2 pair vs an OESD where they hit their 8 outer. Basically, their draws hit often whereas mine do not. This is backed up by that luck bell curve thing in PT4, showing with sets, straights, and flushes I've been 'unlucky'.

If there's people out there who are beating 4nl for 15bb/100, it basically means one of two things:

1) 888poker are rigging the deck to stop me winning at that level.
2) The players winning at 15bb/100 play a fundamentally better game than I do.

Now yeah, I know every shill is going to scream the answer is number 2. But I don't really see what I could do to improve my winrate. I bet when I have it, never triple barrel bluff, open more when in late position, and I'm ready to fold TPTK to a raise.

Probably my 3bet game needs some work, but that can't account for a 9bb/100 discrepancy between the results of myself and others. So that brings me back to point 1 - that 888poker are rigging the deck.

Sure most players are net losers, but the guy winning at 15bb/100 is going to be able to move up a lot faster than the guy winning at 6bb/100. And given it's such a massive difference, I'm interested in exploring possible reasons why.

Oh it's so on...

Just wait till I get out of this rigged nanostakes BS and you'll be eating your words.

you play 4NL and already have mastered the game. well done.

After my previous post I played some 5NL tonight just so I had a clue what was being discussed and yeah, this strategy is pretty much spot on.

I see apps that have this quality about once a week, sometimes more. A recent one who had not played since Black Friday said he wanted to get back into poker (he is in the US) and what games does he need to play to make $100,000 a year easily. I suggested he invent time travel, and learn how to bonus whore poker and casino bonuses. He then asked "what about $80,000 a year?"

Another who asked for coaching refused to agree to pay a percentage because he knew he would make $5,000 a month easy. His first 3 months without coaching he fell just about $5,000 short each month.

This guy certainly had his show, and he is the type that will keep going even after the audience starts leaving, but that is hardly a unique human quality, especially among those who plod through life accomplishing nothing.

It is non zero that he is a troll, but I would take the side that he is what he is because I see variations of him all the time.

All the best.

Ah the ole "i dont make draws" excuse.



This is all of your flush draws and OESD's.

Here's one thing, look at your AF with your draws. Zero point nine. In almost every draw you had you merely called down, even when you were the preflop aggressor. Time and time again I see you raise KQ preflop to get a JTx flop only to check. This ties into your overall AF being 1.4. You are quite simply too passive, as evident from your screeching downhill redline. And the few times you actually perk up and try to bluff or 3bet someone are in bad spots that hit villains range. You're just picking all the wrong times to get creative. You desperately need to add semi-bluffing to your game, and should probably avoid 3betting from the BB against a BTN steal unless you legitimately have a hand.

Or the fact that you barely have 20k hands which most people squash in a month. You keep asking what legitimate sample sizes are, most people dont even bother to start until they are at 50k unless they are losing at like 17BB/100. 250k is considered a real sample, and even that is just for amateurs moving up. A million hands is the gold standard for anyone consistently playing a given limit as their main game.

Because you arent as good as him. The sooner you come to accept the fact you arent as good as you think you are, the better off you'll be.

Apparently my money has never been safer. Not a single PM.

Could you filter to check his specific claim of 20% equity hands on the turn only hitting 10% of the time? Probably not a ton of hands to go on in a 20k dataset, but I'm still curious to see if the number lolpotodds spits out are real or typical rigtard "estimates".

What filters did you use to get that? The problem with showing the graph is in line with AIEV is that it doesn't account for how often draws hit, which is the real issue here.

You'd expect AIEV to be in line with winrate, simply because if the draw hits, I'm usually going to win, often with villain drawing dead, and because I'm never going to go all in unless the draw hits. So that graph doesn't account for all the many many times I had a draw and did not hit with it, which is a stupidly high amount, especially against new players. Yes, I'm aware most draws don't hit, but like 90% of mine never hit.

My standard is that if I have a flush or OESD, I'll make a cbet, then check/call the turn. Reasoning is OTF I've got 2 chances to hit, so pot equity+fold equity makes that a winning play. On the turn I've only got 1 card left to come, so I really want to see the river for cheap as my pot equity aint so good anymore. Then on the river I'd check/fold or check/raise depending on whether the draw hit or not.

And in cases where I'm not the preflop aggressor, I'd rather just call villains bets because if I 2bet him on the flop and he shoves I just got blew off the hand where I still had some decent equity.

Crude early estimate: if his draws went to showdown 41.8% of the time and he won money in 53.6% of those showdowns, then overall those draws won money at showdown 22.4% of the time.

Obviously that doesn't take into account split pots or occasions on which either player folded though.

LOL.

HEM doesnt record equity by street even though it shows it in the HUD. The only way to filter by equity is by allin equity and then simply scroll to situations where it happened on the turn. I couldnt find any spots where he got it allin with 20% equity on the turn so evaluating this claim is going to be next to impossible. We'll just have to take his word for it that his photographic memory can recall how many times he lost when he was a severe underdog anyway.

Anyway back to your AF, you are afraid someone is going to blow you off your hand if you raise your draw. But just like how passive you are, most 4NL fish are equally passive if not more so. They arent going to be raising you off your hand very often. Just look at their stats and position and make a judgement call. Do not auto check every turn just to be safe. If you raise KQ and cbet a JT5r flop do not instantly assume your opponent has top pair or something and that he wont fold. 4NL fish call with all sorts of stupid bull**** like K5o and whatever. They could easily think they have implied odds to hit a runner runner low straight with 67.