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03-01-2013 , 10:38 PM
Can anyone tell me why turbos and ever faster shortstack structures are so popular online, or so Pokersite tells us?
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03-01-2013 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ScamCity
Arouet, Otatop, Monteroy ..


Here they come, like little army ants
Arouet



Otatop



Monteroy



I PITY THE RIGGIES!
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03-01-2013 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 3ozBacardi
Or not! Pokersite can still filp through the remaining deck to find whatever card(s) they want to deal.

The RNG is the ONLY component of the software EVER released for testing and Audit. I'm sure it works just fine but who cares!? NOTHING prevents Pokersite from dealing whatever remaining cards they like to work the rig.
Right, so what's your point? Whatever is audited, the poker site could get around. If they audited everything, riggies would just claim they switch the software after the audit. The only way some riggies would be satisfied would be if an auditing firm was in front of their servers 24/7.

That's why the most sensible way for poker sites to be monitored is the output, as most sensible players already do. But some riggies seem to think there is a magical rig that they can observe, but won't show up in hand histories. Oh, and that nothing can be proven without seeing everyone's hole cards.

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Can anyone tell me why turbos and ever faster shortstack structures are so popular online, or so Pokersite tells us?
Because people like them.

Is there some point to the question that has something to do with rigging?

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
A couple networks are joining others that are doing systemic segregation of players, and why would they bother to do this if they had some lizard person inspired RnG rig that did it all magically (as riggies propose). If they had that magic rig programmed by people who never spoke about it then the last thing they would do is draw attention to the rig by advertising how they are segregating games. Why even segregate games if the `rig`does it for you.
An excellent point, and it will be interesting to see if any riggie gives this some serious thought and has any kind of logical response.
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03-01-2013 , 11:25 PM
I made that point first.
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03-01-2013 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 3ozBacardi
Stars (now) claims they use a static shuffle, meaning the cards are set before the first card is dealt. However, nothing prevents them from flipping through the deck to deal whatever they like, depending how the hand plays out.

Tilt, and many other sites, used (don't know about now) a dynamic shuffle, where the shuffle continued at all times such that the timing of player actions dictated what card(s) would be dealt next. Presumably this made it easier to flip through the deck to find the cards they wanted to deal. Can you think of ANY other reason to use a dynamic shuffle?

The RNG, as a stand alone program, can be as functional and random as they claim but so long as they can flip through the deck and chose whatever cards they want to deal, it doesn't matter one bit.
+1million two hundred thousand and 56
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03-02-2013 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ScamCity
+1million two hundred thousand and 56
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Employing your logic...

Given that you are one of the most frequent posters in this thread, it's obvious you're being paid to post here - whom do you work for?
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03-02-2013 , 12:22 AM
Online poker, one of the most unrespected industries in this galaxy or the next!

It's clear to anyone who plays online poker that dealings are played around with after the RNG shuffle
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03-02-2013 , 12:28 AM
Accusation that others are paid to post.

Non sequitur, non sequitur, dodged question, non sequitur. Nonsensical conclusion!
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03-02-2013 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ScamCity
Online poker, one of the most unrespected industries in this galaxy or the next!

It's clear to anyone who plays online poker that dealings are played around with after the RNG shuffle
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Employing your logic...

Given that you are one of the most frequent posters in this thread, it's obvious you're being paid to post here - whom do you work for?
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03-02-2013 , 01:17 AM
What I have really never understood and probably never will is that why not any single entrepreneur or businessman hasn't invented a truly random site? I mean if all the riggies think that OP is false and biased to make $$$ on the rake everywhere, why wouldn't anyone create a poker room with truly random RNG, advertise it like "look boyz, erreyone is rigged, we are true" and rake millions?

Just go out there, tell them that you have put a 100% random rng (prove it on tv/ court/ swear on it/ make a public audit/ run it on solar proton virgin filter) poker room and the hundred thousands of rig-tards with as many regs will flock you. Everyone likes to play true poker, right?

Why the f no one ever did it?

Why the f in the time of a monstrous competition when every single poker room tries to cheat you, when they know that you know that they are cheating, no one ever came up with the idea to make a legit poker room to accommodate millions of frustrated players?

R- tards.

Last edited by ktnxbye; 03-02-2013 at 01:26 AM.
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03-02-2013 , 01:35 AM
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What I have really never understood and probably never will is that why not any single entrepreneur or businessman hasn't invented a truly random site? I mean if all the riggies think that OP is false and biased to make $$$ on the rake everywhere, why wouldn't anyone create a poker room with truly random RNG, advertise it like "look boyz, erreyone is rigged, we are true" and rake millions?

Just go out there, tell them that you have put a 100% random rng (prove it on tv/ court/ swear on it/ make a public audit/ run it on solar proton virgin filter) poker room and the hundred thousands of rig-tards with as many regs will flock you. Everyone likes to play true poker, right?

Why the f no one ever did it?

Why the f in the time of a monstrous competition when every single poker room tries to cheat you, when they know that you know that they are cheating, no one ever came up with the idea to make a legit poker room to accommodate millions of frustrated players?

R- tards.
Fish wouldn't survive long and wouldn't play there. Sharp on sharp is not +EV without fish. No fish, no rake. No rake, no profit is ....

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Why the f no one ever did it?
A lill attension to speelling and gramer mite hep you credubelity.
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03-02-2013 , 01:36 AM
Real Deal tried (although their deal was easily the least random of any site), and even used actual shills. They never got enough traffic to really take off, from what I recall.

Seems weird, since according to ScamCity 99% of players know online poker is rigged and fake.
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03-02-2013 , 01:40 AM
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A lill attension to speelling and gramer mite hep you credubelity.
Engrish is my third languash so I have no clue how to speel. Tru story
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03-02-2013 , 01:47 AM
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Engrish is my third languash so I have no clue how to speel. Tru story
lol...good sport
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03-02-2013 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Real Deal tried (although their deal was easily the least random of any site), and even used actual shills. They never got enough traffic to really take off, from what I recall.

Seems weird, since according to ScamCity 99% of players know online poker is rigged and fake.
I knew smoking would kill me (so did they)...and it almost did.
I know drinking will kill me (so do they) but I still do it.
I know burning fossil fuels will kill us all...
I know online poker is rigged (and they know I know)....
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03-02-2013 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 3ozBacardi
I know online poker is rigged (and they know I know)....
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03-02-2013 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Real Deal tried (although their deal was easily the least random of any site), and even used actual shills. They never got enough traffic to really take off, from what I recall.

Seems weird, since according to ScamCity 99% of players know online poker is rigged and fake.
Do you have any evidence to prove it was the most rigged
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03-02-2013 , 03:29 AM
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Do you have any evidence to prove it was the most rigged
He didn't say it was rigged - he said it was the least random. There's a difference. I'm sure it was the system they used that causes him to say this; a search in this forum for "Real Deal" should find the thread for you and you can learn about it yourself.
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03-02-2013 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ktnxbye
What I have really never understood and probably never will is that why not any single entrepreneur or businessman hasn't invented a truly random site? I mean if all the riggies think that OP is false and biased to make $$$ on the rake everywhere, why wouldn't anyone create a poker room with truly random RNG, advertise it like "look boyz, erreyone is rigged, we are true" and rake millions?

Just go out there, tell them that you have put a 100% random rng (prove it on tv/ court/ swear on it/ make a public audit/ run it on solar proton virgin filter) poker room and the hundred thousands of rig-tards with as many regs will flock you. Everyone likes to play true poker, right?

Why the f no one ever did it?

Why the f in the time of a monstrous competition when every single poker room tries to cheat you, when they know that you know that they are cheating, no one ever came up with the idea to make a legit poker room to accommodate millions of frustrated players?

R- tards.
The reason is simple:

Those who believe that the current sites are rigged will automatically believe that any future site is rigged.

Maybe not immediately, but the moment that anyone they characterise as a donk cracks their AA.

These people are so unbelievably bad at poker that they are incapable of understanding even the most basic principles of what makes it a game that even those who are bad at it and keep losing money will continue to play (and, in many cases, enjoy).
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03-02-2013 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by donk mcReetard
another reason to not slowplay your good made hands, (sets in the aformentioned example) especially against a decent player is when a scare card comes and your foe shuts down on whatever street you're on, you just lost a lot of value because you might have gotten a call out of him on his draw or whatever, had you bet. slowplaying to "induce them to bet" is almost always wrong. sure, it feels great to check-raise with a monster but it's not always the best route to take....of course, that's just my opinion, i could be wr...wr...wr...wrong.

footnote: when you are playing against extremely skilled players, though, slowplaying CAN have it's viable merits. just watch out for that rigged r n g, though...lol.
i should take my own advice. just lost with a set of 9's on a rainbow flop with all undercards to my 99 when i just checked that flop out of position being the pre-flop raiser...to some 2-bit used car salesman and hustler wanna-be who in previous hands had made some of the worst plays in poker history. looks like i'll never learn...lol.
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03-02-2013 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by donk mcReetard
i should take my own advice. just lost with a set of 9's on a rainbow flop with all undercards to my 99 when i just checked that flop out of position being the pre-flop raiser...to some 2-bit used car salesman and hustler wanna-be who in previous hands had made some of the worst plays in poker history. looks like i'll never learn...lol.
Presumably this was live play as I'm not aware of any on-line site that displays a player's occupation.
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03-02-2013 , 02:46 PM
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Presumably this was live play as I'm not aware of any on-line site that displays a player's occupation.
What would we ever do without the insights from you and Monte...?
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03-02-2013 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by donk mcReetard
i should take my own advice. just lost with a set of 9's on a rainbow flop with all undercards to my 99 when i just checked that flop out of position being the pre-flop raiser...to some 2-bit used car salesman and hustler wanna-be who in previous hands had made some of the worst plays in poker history. looks like i'll never learn...lol.
Understand that these types have learned that they'll be rescued by runner runner and/or 2 outters very often. It may be useful to think of them as something other than a 2-bit so-and-so.
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03-02-2013 , 07:43 PM
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I made that point first.
Yeah, I guess you said it so succinctly, I missed it.

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Why are Party and iPoker segregating/trying to segregate regs from fish when they're already rigging it so regs lose to fish?
Still awaiting a riggie response to it, of course.
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03-02-2013 , 08:22 PM
The one big question mark, over the rigged debate is, how is it possible for so many consistent winning players? and why do many of the top pros win big money consistently? Look on high stakes db, and there are many players winning big money consistently, which should not be possible unless they have learnt the beat the rig?
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