Seems to me all this rubbish talk about uigea and pokerstars coughing up millions in doj fines has very little relavance to the actual software being rigged here.,so lets stay on focas guys ffs...either that or wake up!

I like bobo am sat in the middle or rather on the fence in between ,because of all the for and against people.

But I will say this ,I can conclusively prove to anyone at any place at any time that online poker is rigged through thier software.How this is done I have already explained away countless times.Half of u uninformed people with egos the size of of peabrain have no idea how they rig it . however I seen enough varience and enough of the games to know how they rig the deal.

Yes they conclusively rig it so that basically the software runs against you ,not all the time but the times at where is most needed for example how many times have u guys gone broke on the bubble of a tourney lets say for arguments sake, they implement technology into the poker client that is concievable like that of which poker is normally played.Its not played randomly its played out in such a fashion that makes it slightly impossible for you to win.

Now heres the thing ,lets say for arguments sake im right about the deal ,why not josem get my invitation to the office and let me show him how they rig it and the deal? let me personally show him and others from tech support what is going on with it.Let me explain what I know to them in private behind closed doors about the issues..
What have they got to lose if it makes an improvement on the logistics of the company ? it would be better for them long term not just for short comings. They would put in place specifics and would know exactly how the software achieves its potential .I know what youre all thinking like im such some crackhead who sits around smoking the weed in my basement with my online pyjaneeys on ,well no I happen to take online poker very seriously so much so I lost all the roll I had to odd_oddsen at high stakes last september with pocket aces all in. £12,000 ..Now if I wasnt so serious about online poker do you think I would be talking here to you guys right now about this ?

Personally I dont give a **** monkeys about anything either way , I cannot stop my bad run of luck or how the sites run ,I can only speak from experience off of 3 or 4 sites. Im telling you let me come to office I will source out virgin media tech support guru who will help me and we go from there to detect possible software glitches and said data.By and large this would apply to absolute poker software .

What baffles me is the fact that I held a staff account on absolute poker one day ,yes they had accounts ,I used his log in credentials to gain access and even play on his account .was his account a super user account ?NO but what was this account used for primarily if it wasnt used for real money?
what indeed gives power to sites to have staff accounts play upon them and for what purpose?

The reason for the program to make you play better or concise poker better seems the real analogy, they want you to earn your game wins like as if played out in live tourney play .Why when presented with the facts over statistical analysis josem can u not accept players are being sensed they are not getting a fair deal .In general pokerstars is one of the better sites along with fulltilt poker .My method of the packet data came down through absolute pokers servers.

its no good arguing about whats right or wrong or even if the sites do cheat/fleece players of thier deposits etc ,but the idea of how the software can be designed to make u lose at all costs weighs heavy on my mind ,because at the offset thats exactly what it seems to be doing.My theory of pokerstars not disclosing such information that needs to be kept private doesnt wash with me or much to that fact many more others who are adament in their approach to this ,they want a clean and fair game therefore you have to provide the standpoint ,the onus is on the site to say look heres the deal ,heres how our company operates ,heres our data agreement set out in legislation terms. Not dwindle down someones account so they go broke every week and made to deposit time and time again.

Before now 1.08 pm ,and my last post I have just come back from a cash game from my local inn , Have just pocketed £100 short on ,so to be posting in here talking to half of reprobates about whether online poker can be rigged or not doesnt do my service no good .I simply dont intend aruguing the tosss over the whole debate ,would rather someone just say look come and show us something ,we can work from there...simple

Lets all cheer up have some fun ,and be grateful that online poker is a good thing in any case ,it helps relieve stress and is good for the body ,not too physically intensive is it now.seriously guys more important things than online poker to be worying about even if it is half the time rigged.!.....xx

are you german?

Its here that I agree with you that things get suspicious.

I can go through a game and build up a reasonable stack, even make it into the money, but theres always a situation where theres a big pot and if I win it, I get a really good shot at the money. Thats when the crap hits the fan.

Example

£1.10 x 3 rebuy

About 30 players left and pick up AA on the BB. Player UTG raises so I re-raise. He calls. Flop comes down two clubs and an ace. I bet, he shoves. Of course I call. he turns over 9 5 clubs. Yes thats right 9 5 clubs.

What happens, he hits the club on the river and I go out. I win $200 but had I won that hand then I am looking at a serious shot at the top prize of $6k

Same night I am in the $55 hotter. Its down to 11 players and Im 2nd in chips. Bigstack raises early position. I've got KK on the BB. I re-raise him and he shoves all in. I call. If I win I am looking at a huge chiplead.

He turns over 10 10

The flop comes 6 7 3. Turn 8 River 9

Out I go. I win $650.. Had I won the pot I was looking good for a $5k+ cash.

Next night, I am in the $27.50 Big game. 20 players left. I have KK EP. I raise. bigstack calls. shortstack re-raises. I shove all in hoping to isolate. Bigstack calls with J 10 suited. If I win I take chip lead and again looking at a big payout. WHat happens. He hits two jacks on the flop. I win $200 or so, had I won I'd have made it to the final table most probably and made well over $1k.

Every time I get a nice stack and get a monster hand that could put me in a good position for a big payout then I get screwed, and believe me, it happens alot. Far more than you would expect.

My biggest ever cash on PS came in an MTT where I won $3k+ and part of that I attribute to me having to sit out for about 45 minutes between the final 20 and the final table. In that time I missed out on AA twice, KK once and QQ three times. In each of those hands I'd have got busted if I'd been there to play it..

As it happened, I ended up returning with a fairly shortstack at the final table and ended up coming second because Goupposum ( iirc ) went on a wrecking mission and took almost every player out the game.

I totally agree that over the course of games, I most probably see the right amount of wins for the hands I get. When it gets to the real nitty gritty then thats when I hit the bad beats.

I don't know if I'd say I'm on the fence; I just try to keep an open mind. I'm not sure how you can say that you're on the fence - you've posted countless times that you know it's rigged and want to fly to the IOM to show them.

OK, so it sounds like the reason you won't present any evidence is because you don't actually have any. What you have is experiences that convinced it must be rigged, and you believe you have evidence of how they're doing it. What people here are looking for is actual evidence of the results of the rigging - if you can tell from your experience that it must be rigged, why not put some hand histories together and prove it?

Ive been authorized to hire another doomswitch operator.All aplicants just need to leave a detailed account of how much fun it would be to crack AA all day long.

Ill get back to you asap.gl

So if u took the bad beat whats the opponents position in all of this.Why did he get the good end of the rig?Is he part of the scandal with 95 clubs?

I was impressed by the overnight traffic last night, but I wonder if as many people will try yet again to have a "rational" conversation with the above, especially after the carnage the shills (and even a riggie) experienced trying that for the past day (except for Wiki which is actually a reasonable pairing).

Good luck those who tackle it tonight, I look forward to reading it tomorrow.


Edit to add: Wow, 5 posts in minutes before I even got this in. While that guy is genuine mental disease it does show the type of approach an actual troll could use in future in this thread. The dude just wants guys to talk to, and he will be happy. Guess the under over for the next 8 hours will be 50 posts! I hope the gibbo/ mental disease chat carries on for a bit - that one will be very entertaining if it lasts. Can someone at least ask him how it can be rigged against everyone given that at least two players go to every showdown. I am hoping "superbots" make a comeback in the thread in response to that.

Good luck all who take that journey.

I havent a clue what its about, but all I know is that when it gets to the nitty gritty of the MTTs and I've got a monster hand, you can almost guarantee that I will lose.

Example I've just had. Have 88. Two players limp pre flop so I raise it up. They both call. Flop 8 7 5. I c-bet. One folds the other shoves all in.

I call, and lo and behold he's got 9 10.

Ok so its a race. K on the turn.. Now I am way ahead. I've got 10 outs, he's got 8 and I am way in front.. What happens.. Oh yes, it has to come. He hits the 6 and out I go..

I put my money in good every time and I get screwed by runner runner straights, four on the board flushes, miracle 2 outers.. Its incessant, and please don't tell me that over time getting money in when your ahead proves profitable, because quite frankly it doesn't..

Fold monsters late in MTTs.

Actually just quit all forms of online poker already, why are you even playing still and whining about it being rigged?

Cash out everything. Uninstall. Never play again.

Best advice a guy like you will ever get.

Now, go talk to that special guy who can prove the rig, exchange notes and form a bond. Least you can do is be entertaining for a change if you are going to keep playing a game you are convinced is rigged against you.

All the best.

WTF , is your age adapted to the size of your feet? what is your ****ing problem ?

seriously if you have nothing better to say to me get a grip ffs.

Im no more slanging match for this kind of people talk ,either u talk nice or i gtfo of dodge,.!

I lost more than anything more valuable than money or poker last year ,I and my whole family had an ordeal most of u people wouldnt understand , please dont even bother with me monteroy.

I'd like everyone to look at this.. These are seven hands out of eight that I encountered in an MTT tonight. The hand histories are all there, and there is no photoshopping done. They are genuine hands.. As I say out of EIGHT hands, these are SEVEN screenshots.

Now you tell me that this isn't crazy..










Thats in EIGHT HANDS

Three full houses, AA v KK, Three players all with two pair and quads on the board...

Look at the hand with an ace high flush and two full houses.

Now sorry, how long would it take you to deal those kinds of hands on a normal basis....

Ok yes youre like me ,and by the sounds of quite a nice guy albeit without sounding too nicey nicey without actually knowing you in person.

Secondly bobo sir ,Yes im a bit tech orientated sorry if some of my posts have found thier way into the delusional thread however ,I do have a proof that sites rig their software albeit I actually physically cannot have it written down in note form here for all the people to view at and digest in.

However what I will say bobo ,is that my attention is fullspread ,I am a good listener and am willing to help anyone with any investigation any time of the day at any given place ,so if josem is there listening to me out there or any other pokerstars staff like shyam then feel free to pm me or leave message.

I dont think it means much to you but when ive worked on this thing solid for 6 whole years i want to see some fruition to the fruits of that labour. and in simple terms find a solution as to why ,or how the software being rigged matters ..Wthere its a good or a bad thing ,at least dont just overview it or hide the matter under the carpet because the situation will only be worser off in the long term ..

Once they recognise that the patterns are rigged they can fix it ,maybe a good thing ,maybe not ,maybe they just dont care or are not interested.

Thats all I have to add . cheers and good luck.

The dude before you says his whole undocumented family was in an "ordeal" and you follow up by posting a ton of hand screenshots. That is quite insensitive.



nemo1969

PokerStars
6,350 tournaments played
-$1.38
$19.65 average buy in (solid for a riggie)

-10% ROI

-$8,782


Your graph is typical of a mega donk. A bink once in a while when you obviously ran super hot, but otherwise it is a ton of losing, and I can only imagine the comedy that is a hand history file of a tournament you went deep in.

I am being very serious to you - quit all forms of online poker and never play again. Riggies will hate your graph because you lose from day 1 (hurt the new player boomswitch theory) and then you keep losing and losing (which kills the losing players get helped by Stars theory). The only thing you can say is you are not Russian so the nutjobs who say it is rigged for Russians can maybe point to you for proof of something.

Do not wait - quit playing online poker right now.

Also, the odds are the other shills will avoid the guy begging them to talk to him, so at least spend some time discussing your concerns with him after you so rudely posted those hand histories after all those unknown ordeals he has suffered. That really is the least you can do.

All the best.

Just the kind of response I'd expect from a dimwitted ****** with the mental capacity of a pencil case.

can you do my stats analysis under user

i have to give u user name for stats right? monteroy?

Every day you play poker you can expect to lose money.

If you whine about always losing monsters deep in tournaments then fold monsters - what other advice (other than quit poker) makes sense when told to a donk who whines about his monsters losing.

What advice would you suggest for yourself given your complaints? I will be impressed if you can think of anything logical for that, but likely you will ignore it and toss a random insult (the donk/riggie way).

You are at -$8,782 lifetime as of now, the more you play the more your losses will likely increase.

Stop playing online poker. You are not good at it. You never will be good at it. Really is that simple. Play freerolls like the other riggies, you will lose less.

Now go talk to that other guy craving attention, he will believe you and you can spend time believing him. Win/win


Off for the night, so you special guys have some fun chatting.

All the best.

Are you such a **** all your life, or did your father do something to you that made you such an arrogant idiot.

Seriously, go back and read what you post on here, and imagine how you look from an outsiders point of view.

Of all the condescending pricks I've ever met in my life ( and believe me, working in the prison service I've met lots ) you have to rate up there amongst the best of them.

Now relating to how I play and my graph. Fine you can scoff all you like, but I play because it passes the time, it gives me something to do.. Over the last 5 years or so I've lost $8k on PS. About $1.20 per game I play, and as you pointed out, I play at almost $20 per game..

Nowhere have I said I am good at the game, nowhere have I said I am profitable. All I am saying is that results and hands are skewed sometimes.

And as for those hand histories, you haven't actually made one comment as to how come hands like those appear 7 times in 8 hands. Why ? Because you cant.. Anyone can see that those hands are set up for action. They are going to showdown with at least 2 players all in, in each and every hand.

Three full houses, AA v KK, three players all in with two pair when the case ace hits the flop.. two pair over two pair..

If you think thats totally random then seriously, give your head a wobble, smack yourself around a bit ( not that you need it because no doubt someone else will do it pretty soon if you act in life how you act on here ) and get your head from up your ass...

those set up hands only occur at $1 games it seems where noone folds anything ever.why is that?
Id love to see this same complaint showing real stake tourns or cash games.Hmmm

So how often would you expect there to be

Three full houses
AA v KK
3 x Ace rag all hitting two pair
Two pair over two pair
Quads on the board

In the space of 7 hands.

All you statistical gurus, telling me that statistics prove its not rigged, tell me what the chances of seven hands out of 8 being the above are..

What are the chances of 3 Full houses, quads on the board, three players all hitting a case ace, two full houses and a nut flush in the same hand.

If you can find me the odds of that happening then I will gladly bow to your superior skills if you can say its a realistic scenario and one that you would expect to see on any poker site at any given time.

Personally, I think the odds of it happening are somewhere between remote and nil..

Now please someone tell me what hte odds are of those 7 hands happening in 8 deals....

You should take a deck of cards, deal face up to 9 places and the board, and do that a couple hundred times. Your concept of what is normal will change a lot. What you describe and show in your screen shots isn't really very noteworthy in a donkathon with lots of players seeing the flop. In such a game, seeing a full house show up on 15% or 20% of the showdowns isn't that far off from expectation. It's a little high (not much), but that should happen sometimes, and you cherry picked the hand cluster.

I notice you used the term "SET UP HANDS"

Isn't it strange that in an MTT where players will shove all in with almost anything, each and every player in the hand happens to hit something..

No matter what their cards are they hit at least 2 pair..

You shove all in every hand in ANY GAME and see how often you hit two pair.

If you actually look one player is in every hand barring ONE. SIX HANDS, and in those six hands he hits quads, two full houses, and and two pair.

THATS IN FOUR OUT OF SIX HANDS.

I challenge you to go in ANY GAME, anywhere on this earth and shove six times and hit those hands in four of them

gibbo1969,

Please come join us in in the Beginners Forum. We can help you! There's no reason anyone who has access to 2+2 should be a losing player. What's more, once players learn to beat the game these rigging concerns have an amazing tendency to fade away. You say you just play poker to "pass the time" but wouldn't it be much more fun if you could actually expect to beat the game?

Or you could continue to waste your in this pointless thread. But just know that you are making a conscious decision to remain a superstitious donk instead of taking advantage of the ample resources available to you.

Shoving every hand, you will get two pair OR BETTER, over 38% of the time with a random deal.

This is what I meant when I told you your concept of what is normal is way off.

What are the odds of 7 hands like that in 8 deals not happening over the 93.5 billion hands dealt?

You expect to see a full house in 15-20% of hands dealt.

How many cards are you playing poker with ?

There is a 1 in 693 chance of there being a full house in poker or 0.144% chance... One player hitting TWO in four hands.. highly unlikely.....

Now tell me where you get 15-20% from

From a loose full table willing to see the flop a lot. The rate for a single player who doesn't fold until full house is impossible, is 1 in 38. Now say five of them see the flop.

No, your number is wrong and is for five card games, not holdem.