Evidence or GTFO.

I don't get paid for this, and if you think I do, you're more paranoid (or just plain stupid) than I thought.

As far as I know, the only employee of a poker site that ever posts rebuttals in this thread is Michael Josem, but I couldn't be sure if he posts while at work, or at his leisure.

FYP

Absolute classic ray. Love your work m8. Three words and three letters has more meaning than entire paragraph.

I found that quite funny as Monty has often accused other people of being me so to have someone accuse me of being him sort of closes the circle.

Perhaps there's only one person posting in this entire thread.

lol you wanna be arouet so bad

Where the hell does that come from?

Of course, I'll admit that I'm seriously envious of his custom undertitle as I think "Thieving rat shill" has a certain ring to it.

Now I'm confused, who am I?

If it's any consolation I'm all but certain you aren't blatantlyrigged.

That was quite funny - good to see you back in form ray!


Not that that would be a bad thing, but I'm pretty sure its not true!

iPoker software, Turn raise (and cr) when done with the worse hand or against the worse hand, it gets sucked out far more often than it should though not to my favor but it's about 90% of the time it gets sucked out with the weaker hand having some maybe 17% outs on average and it has happened against me some 18 times out of 20 when it happens the first time that table/session and the latest case I remember of those is when I had trip kings with an ace kicker and the one outer with AA didn't suck out though I didn't expect it to as when I am enough ahead the possibility of the other sucking out gets less, that's no news though, but there is a clear non-random occurence on the turn when it gets raised when I am ahead; I have tried it myself with some combo draws and stuff like that but there might be some specifics like a tilt move or all in or anything other than a standard play before the suckout card comes up to 100% of the time. No mistake in my selective attention as I always make it a case to note when I get raised or I raise on the turn and this is iPoker software specific only, put into by the software makers to make use of it to make money. Though when it gets better known inside (they are way ahead with these RNG things, knowing it all and using it all from booms to juiced and balanced cards but there are also these "bugs" that are not put in by the site) these things will change, so always look out for anything abnormal and how the "random" cards come out of the deck as these days it's mandatory to learn to play the RNG also. All sites have their specific ways the card come out and they have changed with time and these days they are much on the same line with juiced and balanced cards. [Music here].

I don't think this is true. What are the actual numbers?

So, not only have you shown you don't know where you are...

http://lovelyoldtree.wordpress.com/2...dge-explained/

... now you don't know who you are?

The Maudsley is only down the road from you. Take my advice and jump on a Number 40 down at Borough High Street and you'll be there in twenty minutes. You'll thank me.

When you typed 100% halfway through your post, had you forgotten you'd aleady said 90% at the start? It would seem that there's a rather obvious an error in your selective attention.
If not, post all 20 hand histories.
[No music here, just lolz]

He must have add or something. Ship him a few ritalins and a coke.. he will be fine.

I can't speak for other sites, but I know that currently Bodog88 ("the Asian" branch of "bovada") is fleecing the hell out of its players, and it's so frickin obvious. All I'm about to say is true and accurate. I swear. I'm not a bitter losing player or anything. I've actually won more than $50K on Bodog.

I've been playin 2/4 NLH on bodog for 4 years, and have never had something called a losing month; a few months break even or lose very very little. But since they sold bovada to a company based in the Philipines (Bodog88), in June 2012, I've been losing for the past four months. The setups just seem endless, to a point where it's so fn obvious that they've placed bots or superusers in there to fleece you of your money. It's just endless setups such as.....

1. KK always running into AA. Lose. Or KK vs. AK. lose. and on the rare occasion your AA runs into KK, a K flops. Lose. On top of that I've been keeping track of my AA, I've lost with them 76 out of the last 103 times. needless to say, that's ALMOST not possible.
2. Always flop sets coupled with heavy fireworks only to lose to straight or flush draws on the Turn or River. Always. Happens way way too much.
3. Always flop monster draws (+14 outs), vs 2 pars only to miss all the way. again, happens way way too much. and always miss. Again, I've been keeping track of this hands (manually of course, since bovada disabled hand history, how convenient!), and these 50% hands I end up making about 20% of the time. Go figure.
4. Always flopping monsters, i.e. AK with board AA3, only to lose on the river to some guy with something like A9, because a 9 spiked on the river.

Like I said, the past four months have just been endless setups such as those mentioned above. I don't think it's coincidence. I mean come on. A company in the Philipines, where corruption and shadyness is just a way of life. I think they know they're about to get shut down soon as soon Nevada comes online, so they're gonna loot for all they can. In addition what have we learned from FT and Absolute. These dishonest guys rob players and absolutely no one can do anything about it. Like the so called superuser at Absolute who stole $20Mil from players, and his name wasn't even released. Gee I wonder if Absolute was in on it. Hmmm. Give me a break. So if a company called Bodog88 based in the PHILIPINES is gonna rob its players, who's gonna investigate and prosecute them? Oh wait, you can't investigate!! No access to hand histories now. Oh wait, you can't persecute!! they're in the Philipines!! How convenient. Anonymous recreational model my ass. Read between the lines boys. Man it pisses me off that we can't get a fair regulated game online.

Fleeced

I can't speak for other sites, but I know that currently Bodog88 ("the Asian" branch of Bovada) is fleecing the hell out of its players, and it's so frickin obvious. All I'm about to say is true and accurate. I swear. I'm not a bitter losing player or anything. On the contrary, I've actually won more than $50K on Bodog.

I've been playin 2/4 NLH on bodog for 4 years, and have never had something called a losing month; a few months break even or lose very very little. But since they sold bovada to a company based in the Philipines (Bodog88), in June 2012, I've been losing for the past four months. The setups just seem endless, to a point where it's so fn obvious that they've placed bots or superusers in there to fleece you of your money. It's just endless setups such as.....

1. KK always running into AA. Lose. Or KK vs. AK. lose. and on the rare occasion your AA runs into KK, a K flops. Lose. On top of that I've been keeping track of my AA, I've lost with them 76 out of the last 103 times. needless to say, that's ALMOST not possible.
2. Always flop sets coupled with heavy fireworks only to lose to straight or flush draws on the Turn or River. Always. Happens way way too much.
3. Always flop monster draws (+14 outs), vs 2 pars only to miss all the way. again, happens way way too much. and always miss. Again, I've been keeping track of this hands (manually of course, since bovada disabled hand history, how convenient!), and these 50% hands I end up making about 20% of the time. Go figure.
4. Always flopping monsters, i.e. AK with board AA3, only to lose on the river to some guy with something like A9, because a 9 spiked on the river.

If I were to rig it, I'd do it exactly like that above. Give a guy monster hands to get his money in, only to be disappointed by the river. Like I said, the past four months have just suddenly been endless setups such as those mentioned above. It wasn't that bad for the last 4 years. I don't think it's coincidence. I mean come on. A company in the Philipines, where corruption and shadyness is just a way of life. I think they know they're about to get shut down soon as soon Nevada comes online, so they're gonna loot for all they can. In addition what have we learned from FT and Absolute. These dishonest guys rob players and absolutely no one can do anything about it. Like the so called superuser at Absolute who stole $20Mil from players, and his name wasn't even released. Gee I wonder if Absolute was in on it. Hmmm. Give me a break. So if a company called Bodog88 based in the PHILIPINES is gonna rob its players, who's gonna investigate and prosecute them? Oh wait, you can't investigate!! No access to hand histories now. Oh wait, you can't persecute!! they're in the Philipines!! How convenient. Anonymous recreational model my ass. Read between the lines boys. Man it pisses me off that we can't get a fair regulated game online.

In addition, after Bovada handed over the reigns to a company in the Philipines, the CEO stepped down. Gee I wonder why Calvin Ayre and the CEO wiped their hands clean of this new company.

Fleeced

How many hands have you played, i.e., what is your sample size for drawing this conclusion?

--
Kahn

to the OP:

Sorry a company the size of Bodog along with an entire country (which apparently you cannot spell correctly) are conspiring specifically against you. Watch out for secret agents determined to finish the job - check your car for explosives, make sure your walls are not bugged etc.

A simpler solution is that you should go out for some ice cream, that should make you feel better. Perhaps they can offer you a job at the ice cream stand, as it appears you need a reliable source of income.

All the best.

I play on Bovada along with all the other US sites and Bovada definitely has the the most suspicious RNG imo. Im not saying its rigged or anything but the swings and hands I see on Bovada happen way more frequently than other sites. That being said its very nice when you get to be on the right side of them. Probably not rigged though and they are eventually taking poker away anyway

Do you know what else "always" happens? People making claims about seeing things that basically prove a game is rigged and not being able to prove what they have seen or explain the maths behind how it proves the game is rigged. Yes it is is convenient that you don't have hand histories.

Easy in hindsight I suppose, but perhaps as you seem to think everybody from the Phillipines are corrupt, dishonest, shady, cheaters you should have stopped playing there?

It would go against human nature if a lot of the online poker rooms weren't doing it. The Wall Street criminals were pushing their "bad mortgage bundles" all over the world, when they knew they were selling ****, to retiree pension funds and such, with no regard for the people they were hurting.

And the same guys, through their hedge funds, were placing huge bets against this garbage product, knowing full well it was going to tank. And they made billions, but almost wrecked the global economy in the process. (The whole world fiat currency system is a giant Ponzi scheme, anyway, that's going to completely crash sooner or later. That last collapse was just the first major warning sign for the monster that's coming. And they won't be able to print anywhere near enough "worth-less" paper to fix it when the big one hits.)

I have suspected it was bots or superusers for a long time now, rather than rigged RNGs. It's the most practical way to increase their profits with little chance of ever getting caught. And it looks exactly like rigging, but no one can prove it.

House Bots are the Bad Mortgage Bundles of online poker!

Is this based on anything other than pure speculation?

Need to start a thread and find out if anyone is winning on bovada. If nobody comes forward, then something might be up. I myself had made $700k+ on bodog. Once they went anonymous I couldn't make a dime and quit them.

I chalked it up as I couldn't get the grasp of playing anonymously. Decided to just move more of my business to other sites. I do know however that at the bare minimum collusion takes place. Before the anonymous update, there rarely was a 10-20 game going. After.. there were multiple games going with 3-4 players. Makes absolutely no sense the 10-20 games would pick up with more players once it went anonymous.

Not sure why anyone would choose to support a business model that has such a wide window of opportunity to get away with running housebots.

Can you really not keep HH records on Bodog?

I think you have to wait 24 hours and then you can see the hands on Boog's site or something idiotic like that.