Don't most decent casinos sack the dealer and give you free drinks for a week if ever your pocket aces lose?

[QUOTE=Gordias;33882333]"Originally Posted by Smooth90
Since it looks like online poker will be coming to the state of Nevada I maintain the Nevada Gaming Commission and the Nevada Gaming Policy Committee need to make a public statement on the issue of rigging. There has just been too many scandals and too much debate about rigging to not say anything and just have the Nevada sites come on line with their multi-page terms and conditions, and then hide in small print on the last page that this is an "as is" site.

I believe once a site says this is an "as is" site that gives them the license to legally tweak their software any way they want to make the most possible money. Personally after playing many years of live poker, I was convinced online was rigged in a way to maximize profits for the sites. A poll was taken on 2 + 2 and from memory about 35% thought the sites were rigged.

For this reason I believe a public statement must be made regarding the issue of rigging by the Nevada Gaming Commission. If no statement is made or a no anti-rigging rule is put in their bylaws then I believe that rigging and the great rigging debate will continue and hurt online poker long term.

It would be very simple for them to put a small paragraph in their bylaws regarding this. If they don't, you have to wonder why?

The Nevada Gaming Policy Committee headed by the Governor is having a meeting this week regarding online poker. This issue of rigging should definitely be brought up.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...oker-wednesday

This Committee as well as the Nevada Gaming Commission should also seriously consider some other ideas and concerns brought up by the poker community that are mentioned in the thread below,.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...ation-1042446/"


Why not, why be concerned about rigging language. Better to have an overly protective rule than one that is ambiguous. People (and site owners) can rationalize what fair means. For the life of me I can't understand why any legitimate player doesn't want all this spelled out in the strictest manner possible.

Yea, but I believe Nevada has a minimum percentage a slot machine must pay out. That should be easy to test for.... When was the last time you ever heard of a casino in Vegas getting fined or losing their license...

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I have to feel that if these site owners think the legal babble in the bylaws are ambiguous, they will tweak the software if it will make them more money. That's why no nonsense clear wording must be in the Nevada bylaws regarding rigging.

Being serious for a moment (rare in this thread).

Clearly rigging language is important to you and that is perfectly valid, and you should make the effort to get your opinion heard (hint: this rigging thread is useless for that in any meaningful way). Contact your local officials, gather signatures, create a blog and do anything you can to make your opinions heard.

The hurdle you face however is that the vast majority of the market do not share your concern of this issue, because they either believe the games are generally fair (ie: they believe the statistically valid million/billion hand studies for online poker instead of "pattern sensing" belief posts) or they generally do not care about it in general and gamble for fun/entertainment.

The other issue you face is that riggies will believe it is rigged regardless of the language of any legislation because all that will mean to them is that the government is in on it. A lot of people believe the US government flew planes into a couple buildings so they will definitely not have issues believing that governments systemically create more poker action boards for money (even though this actually reduces the amount of rake generated).


Recognize the challenges you face and stop using fake stats like how many people in a riggie thread think online poker is rigged as that will obviously be biased. If you want your concerns to go further than another forgotten manifesto in this thread then you need to take the time and effort to make your concerns and message one that has some genuine appeal to the mass market.

Best of luck.

Having a faith based belief that the games are fair, like yourself, wouldnt apply to everybody. Im sure other players are looking for more than that.
You might actually be right about the stats being off on the people thinking the games are rigged though. Probably more like 60%. Just look at pokerscout.com. Then you have all the people that dont say anything, are sure its rigged, and keep on playing.

You either need institutionalising or you have a very very low iq. Perhaps both.

He needs to believe in his cause and nothing else matters. If that means to him that 35% saying yes to rigged in a specific riggie thread filled with riggies really somehow means 60%+ would say yes in other forums (as if riggies post/read strategy forums) then take that for what it is - a mantra he needs to chant to maintain his belief structure and nothing more.

Riggies tend to ignore him for good reason, but what riggies should do is the following:

1) Cash out all money from online gambling sites

2) Visit pokerscout so they can read and learn new and exciting rigging theories. One there recently mentioned about how rigging takes place certain days of the week so a lot of new rigging material exists out there that could benefit the riggi lifestyle choice. They should encourage more riggies to post on this thread as well.

3) Watch the Magic guy's videos and support him by clicking on his banners so he can earn more advertising dollars and create more videos.


All of the above will enhance a riggie's experience in the riggie sub-culture so they should all follow it for their own good.

All the best.

LMAO this coming from an idiot who names himself ""Sharter""
and cleans his pants

Well you just confound your stupidity by posting on another one of your accounts. Fail.

Gold!

blatantlyrigged,

you never answered my question. why are you dodging it?

The truth is a hard pill to swallow. Easier for you to live in a fantasy world, right?
Ignorance is bliss???

Are there any online poker sites that are considered NOT rigged?

From a new Nevada online poker room to the Nevada Gaming Commission:

Dear Sirs,

We plan to verify our poker RNG/software through a third party. We will send them a small sample of our RNG output to verify it for randomness. You know, like PokerStars and the rest of the current online poker rooms do. And if we feel like it, we might do this again in the next four or five years. We’ll send you the initial results and let you know if we ever plan to do it again.


Dear new Nevada online poker room,

That’s just peachy. But we’ve been at this a long time and have developed a deep understanding of the relationship between human beings and large sums of money. So tell the folks who man your servers that when they hear a loud knock at the door, immediately open up and let us in. We’ll be there to do our random monthly monitoring of your software. And don’t bother having a copy ready for us to take home; we’ll be downloading it directly from the software you are running at the time, when we show up unannounced. And if we ever find any deviation from our randomness parameters, unless it is a legitimate unintended error, your license will be permanently revoked.

Oh, and you know that whole unfortunate Full Tilt Poker criminal fiasco, where the owners of the company raided the player accounts to the tune of tens of millions of dollars? That won’t be happening in the State of Nevada. So you might consider keeping some extra money in your fully segregated player account - because we’ll be doing random monthly audits on that, as well. And if it is ever found to be even one cent short at any of our unannounced inspections, you will be heavily fined and have you license suspended until which time the account is fully restored.

Have a nice day,
The Nevada Gaming Commission
"We take pride in actually doing our job"

I love that fact that all you losers take the time to write all that BS above....

The irony is strong in this one.

Ok. Wrong. We want every thing in terms of your RNG output to verify randomness. God bless and happy holidays.


[QUOTE=Smooth90;33884718]

I love the fact that there are winners playing on online poker trying to justify that their winnings are truly legit based on skill and not on a rigged game.. both riggies and skeptics have no proof...but if there is one thing we have agreed upon is that there is motive for a pokersite to rig their software for the benefit of their gross/net income??! who wouldn't rig their game if it meant a minimum of 10%+ additional net a year on the bottom line?

I don't know why you have to turn a simple three line comment into a little fairytale but OK.

Current rigtards think it is rigged for no real reason whatsoever with the current regulations in place (what little you think of them). They will continue to feel like it is rigged for no reason whatsoever because the deal will be exactly the same as it is now.

What's to stop the site change the code the second the doorbell rings?
What's to stop the site bribing the investigator?
What's to stop the Government paying off the investigator overlooking indiscretions to keep the tax flowing?
If they have been rigging the deal for 12 months by such a small amount that it doesn't show up in hand histories, how long does the investigator have to stay there collecting data for it to show up?
If they only rig it for 1 day a month they only have a round a 1/30 chance of getting caught, right? Well worth the risk I reckon.
"Just because it wasn't rigged when they showed up, I know it was rigged last week. What I saw then couldn't be random"

If you think it is rigged because of what you have seen at the tables, your hand histories are all the proof you need. Of the people who think it is rigged for no reason whatsoever, I think few will be convinced by anything you suggest above.

Lets hope you get the reassurances you want and we will see how many rigtards there are and what your response to them will be.

I don't agree to that.

I wouldn't but then I am not a scumbag like you.

Risk your whole business and personal name for an extra 10%? Wtf are you talking about? Only someone as stupid as you appear to be would ever even debate something doing like that and even then they'd surely realise that it's just a damn bad idea.

Most of their rig theories (ex: action flops) actually cost sites money.

I do look forward to the US legislation for a number of reasons, but the non-financial/entertaining thing will be at that time to read the 9/11 like beliefs the riggies have at that time convinced the US government/ State governments is in on the whole thing.

Some very fun posts will be had at that time.

LOL LOL Are you joking!!!

Do we really need another shill, or is this the moron tompakee?

Ever told the truth before?

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LOL cant stay away can you tompakee , you imbecile. (You really are a moron, as dumb as they come).
BLOCK HIS IP ADDRESS!!
OOPS, forgot he uses the library computers. Minimum wage job at burger king doesnt allow him to have enough money to buy a computer.

Sup Bozo the paranoid clown, seeing shills, tompkees and wikis again?

It does make me chuckle when Blatantlyrigged tries to mock others professional or personal lives. I don't know how he does it without making himself feel bad.