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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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04-26-2012 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Make Them Dig
or better still, stop posting altogether
yeah this
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04-26-2012 , 02:45 AM
RNG posts starting with an individual hand history should be autoban.
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04-26-2012 , 02:56 AM
carbon is confirmed rigged. are other skins the same?
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04-26-2012 , 03:09 AM
BR STILL AVOIDING THE QUESTIONS LIKE A GOOD LITTLE RIGTARD I SEE.


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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Being ignorant about a certain subject isnt so terrible in itself. Nobody can say they know everything about everything. In this case, without extensive knowledge on the subject, people wouldnt even think about posting their thoughts for everyone to see.
But to know almost nothing, or have no experience with a certain subject and post in a thread about said subject is just stupid
, to say the least. You hang on the nutsacks of site promoters, affiliates, etc. who post misinformation and lies in here aboutonline poker sites that use software to manipulate the deal and try to sound as if you know what youre talking about.
Why do you continually make yourself look like such a moron

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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
octapus, arouet, darkus, j9, oldnewshill, etc. you have your work cut out for you! No wiki (awesome!).
Not a good start.IP's are rigged for each individual to run hot or cold. Exactly how they are able to manipulate the game. So far the above post is a big fail.
Lets get to work!!!!

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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Hard to tell if your really this ignorant and just playing the part.
The site uses the IP address to track you.
You claim this is true but there are SO many ways around this. If i thought that my IP address was doomswitched then why wouldn't i just change my IP address! This is something that would take 20 seconds to do.

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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
The software manipulates the deal. The cards given to you depends on your status, (too much profit, too many cash outs, etc, and on the other side, newer player, just made a rebuy, etc.) It goes hand in hand.
Please explain to us how the software manipulates the deal. Remember now that you are the one who posted

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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
But to know almost nothing, or have no experience with a certain subject and post in a thread about said subject is just stupid, to say the least
So please enlighten us all as to how the deal is manipulated. Give clear concise instructions and as much evidence as possible to prove that the rig is manipulated.


Is misé Tompakee®

Keep up the good work
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04-26-2012 , 03:27 AM
Better luck with your future endeavours, old chap.
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04-26-2012 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordias
Let's hear what the poker community is saying about their experience at PokerStars, as some of our friends at PokerScout.com weigh in on their faith in the fairness of the deal:

1) "I ask authorities from all over the world to shut down pokerstars, and send the criminal owner, to jail. Please stop this guys from stealing the money of honest people."

2) "Everything is good on pokerstars except its sh--ty RNG. If you tell me that this sh-- is random I will hang myself. No joke. I hope that some serious regulators perform some serious audit on their RNG. You wasted hours of my life. I hope you cheaters go rot in jail."

3) "PokerStars is the biggest bunch of criminals grouped for collecting, circulating, squeezing and then rubbing peoples' money. Their RNG can sukk a big bankroll you may have made in one year, during a short session of play there, like a serial killer.

You can run $50K and 200 buyins under EV if they just decide it for you. What can you expect from a company whose owner and boss is a 21-century "Hyman Ross" model of "The Godfather II"!?
Don't you believe me?! Never mind, go and fukk your money and nerves there and you ll learn it the hard way as did I."

4) "Everything's fine about PS, but the RNG ????

Forget about your hand book of playing poker well. Forget about the Super System. Forget about what you read and discuss on TwoPlusTwo. Forget about how skillful Negraneu is... If you want to make money on PS, all you have to do is deposit so much bankroll and play it like you play bingo!!! Then the statistic will earn you money.

On PS, it's all about luck! Of course you have to know the essence of playing poker, but the community cards don't like your skill! it's 20% skill & 80% luck! Random my ass!!!!!!!!!!!"

5) "Depending on if you play a qualifier/satellite, sit n go, freezeout tournament or knockout you'll see different patterns of hands that determine results. Crazy bad beats all the time and complete set-ups (as opposed to coolers). Very unlike real poker."

6) "Might as well bend u over and f--- u up the ass."

Now, now, fellas. There are a number of a simple explination's that should calm your nerves: remember, you see more hands online than live play, and then there's the issue of variance, and don't forget your bankroll management. That should do it. You feel all better? I knew that you would.

http://www.pokerscout.com/AllReviews.aspx?id=1&pg=1
Refreshing. Honest posts from real players.
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04-26-2012 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SCS
What is your point?
Amazing.
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04-26-2012 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Refreshing. Honest posts from real players.

WTF would you know about that? Now answer the questions i posted you shill!

Is misé Tompakee™

Keep up the good work
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04-26-2012 , 05:18 AM
so how many of you would like to file a complaint against there randomizer to the gaming commission? I think if we can get like 50 people they will definitely start wondering whats going on. Cause i just played 6 more players and had people watching. Every opponent out boarded me and i got bad beat on the river several times. I had players stacked off early on in the matches and there just sucking out every time. I just right geez again. i had aq he short stack all in with k q and a king flops. This is ridiculous. They have to fix it if we all complain. THe gaming commission has to make it fair. im a try get hold of the ceo and tell him there is complaints. I see what 4 or 5 of you complaining about running bad on merge? I haven't ran good one time yet so thats very odd. This is every opponent i am playing.

ok i just stack off 2 gusy right now and im down 10 dollars i lost more in rake then i won and i stacked off 2 full stacks haha. Somethings not right.. i just think we should at least try do something about it instead of people just givign up on the site.
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04-26-2012 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by realtalk203
Im up before rakeback like 2k but I just think that since no one is really depositing on the site they got it to where no one wins but the rake. I mean last session I had on there I six table instead of 18 tabling and was amazed that if the flop came jj3 if I had kj and the turn came a queen he would have qj or blind vs blind I would get like kk allin against like 86 on j62 flop and lose and this is after taking a long break. I just feel like the beats are absurd to the point where you dont wanna grind. Im not the best player but Im a proven winner at the stakes I play over a bunch of hands.

ya there hitting that 2-4 outter very consistently its almost every 5 or 6 hands im seeing this. This is not supposed to happen. i play live i might see it one time the whole 8 hr session i play. But online im seeing every oppnent sometims 2 to 3 times in just 1 match thats not even 30 minutes. I know somethings not right with there randomizer this is way to frequent there suckouts. Its like wait he was 4% chance of winning oh he hit.
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04-26-2012 , 05:22 AM
OP have you tried pokerstars? no? you should. i never got a bad beat, except for once on x-mas 2009 when i lost with 22 vs AK a really big pot. but in 2010 pokerstars introduced the so called fairnesscharta by which their "randomizer" is adjusted to your personal style of play. try it out. and begin in the 100$ hyper turbos. you ll always get the good variance and most important good vibrations.
btw, i do believe you are a profit player. gl and do not hesitate to leave a rigged network like merge!
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04-26-2012 , 05:26 AM
i am playing holdem but it feels like im getting bad beat like its plo. THe hands just dont hold up that perfect card comes off. All have a set and bam gut shot straight. I flop the straight the only hand can beat me earlier was aq. I said he has a q he has to the boards k j 10. I had q 9. No doubht all the hands in the world he has a q. i have the queen blocker too. And hes got a q. im like huh? Then very next hand i hit set of 2s he turns set of 10s. i am not bad beating anyone. And im seeing this over and over against me its like come on give me my fair and i wont complain. bUt im not seeing it. Carbon said oh its variance. I said well wait a minute when have i ever had good variance? its not coming at all. Thast the problem is the opponent hits everything. When that happens in heads up its a eye opener.
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04-26-2012 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by goofella
OP have you tried pokerstars? no? you should. i never got a bad beat, except for once on x-mas 2009 when i lost with 22 vs AK a really big pot. but in 2010 pokerstars introduced the so called fairnesscharta by which their "randomizer" is adjusted to your personal style of play. try it out. and begin in the 100$ hyper turbos. you ll always get the good variance and most important good vibrations.
btw, i do believe you are a profit player. gl and do not hesitate to leave a rigged network like merge!

if i was not in the usa id be on poker stars so fast. Poker stars is head and shoulders the messiah of online poker. I wish i could play on there. I used to like full tilt too. But all we got is merge or cake now. cake refuses to give rake back.
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04-26-2012 , 05:50 AM
If you're the only one running badly and everyone else is running good, do you think that maybe you're just ****?
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04-26-2012 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tompakee
WTF would you know about that? Now answer the questions i posted you shill!

Is misé Tompakee™

Keep up the good work
Answer mine: Where did you read that I am unemployed as you stated?
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04-26-2012 , 06:26 AM
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04-26-2012 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilfred
If youre a losing player with AA then why do you still play it? Do you like losing money?
Still lol'ing!
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04-26-2012 , 06:44 AM
Op you haven't posted any hand histories which you seem to be flush with day after day after week after week and so on.

You sound like a girl complaining about never getting a date.

Are you serious or what? You think anyone here really cares about your sorry luck?

Wanh.
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04-26-2012 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunnerz69
Say they decided to up it to 2% (a very marginal increase and something that no one really could detect) This played over millions of hands all-in will result in a significant increase in rake over the course of a day/week/month. Tweak it back after a day/week etc and they have increased their profits significantly without seemingly being able to be traced. 1% over a week is too small to be considered peculiar.
Why do you think a 1% increase would be something that no one really could detect?
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04-26-2012 , 07:50 AM
I still wanna know how you are a winning player if you get outboarded every time?
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04-26-2012 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunnerz69
I don't think anyone can prove a poker site is rigged.

In fact I don't think any of them are.

BUT

they def could do some minor changes to their advantage.
Say the chances of AA vs KK,QQ come up 1% of the time on average. (i'm not going to get technical with the %'s)

Say they decided to up it to 2% (a very marginal increase and something that no one really could detect) This played over millions of hands all-in will result in a significant increase in rake over the course of a day/week/month. Tweak it back after a day/week etc and they have increased their profits significantly without seemingly being able to be traced. 1% over a week is too small to be considered peculiar.

I mean it may or may not be happening, but I know if i ran a poker site and someone told me i could increase my profits, then why wouldn't you?
That's actually a 100% increase in the total number of times your situation would come up, and would be quite easy to detect. But let's say it wasn't or that they only increased the total number of times by 1 or 2% (to say 1.02% of the time)...this would be such a marginal change that it would make very little to no difference in the game and would be barely worth whatever tiny extra profit it brought about. This is possibly the crux of the issue: any change that would be noticeable to the naked eye or even to any but the most skilled of statistical analysts would be caught immediately and a disaster; any change so small that it could not be detected by any but the insanely skilled of analysts would be too small to make enough difference to be worth the risk of exposure (by someone involved in the planning or execution, for instance). As noted hundreds of times in the thousands of pages this useless thread has gone on, there are just too many other ways to make money than to go for the supposed holy grail of rigging the RNG--raise rake, change the bonus/rakeback system in some small way, etc. etc.
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04-26-2012 , 08:28 AM
[]understands randomness
[x]overestimates self
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04-26-2012 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tompakee
WTF would you know about that? Now answer the questions i posted you shill!

Is misé Tompakee™

Keep up the good work

more real than you, you dont even play on pokerstars, so im sure youre happy with online poker
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04-26-2012 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
more real than you, you dont even play on pokerstars, so im sure youre happy with online poker
2 things numb nuts....Number 1...i was talking to your lord and master riggie who has never played a single hand in his life not you!

Number two....Poker stars is only one site there are plenty more...fyi i used to play there and fulltilt but i prefer a game without idiots like u on every table crying that the sites rigged.


Is misé Tompakee™

Keep up the good work
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04-26-2012 , 10:54 AM
Whoa, OP is from the US? What on earth?


Op, is English your first language? Did you move to the US from another country?


I don't read the rigged thread at all so reading posters like this serves as a nice reminder as to the type of people that are really out there. I'm still as amazed as I ever have been at stuff like this. I just don't know how it us possible and never will.
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