How is that being in agreement with a "fundamental part of the deal manipulation"?

That is hilarious! Where did you find it or did you create it? Just awesome!

This is very funny. More accurate if you substitute the 'r' word with Shilltards though.

I think it is awesome that latentlywetarded was the next poster below this gem:

10 bucks says the pigeon has bathed more recently than the hippie.

I'm thinking of an action river card... rig it please


Cake - $1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $107.65
Hero (CO): $116.75
BTN: $59.78
SB: $199.63
BB: $33.56
UTG: $103.00

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has K K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.00, fold, SB raises to $11.00, fold, Hero calls $8.00

Flop: ($23.00, 2 players) 2 Q 7
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($23.00, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets $11.50, SB raises to $35.00, Hero calls $23.50

River: ($93.00, 2 players) K
SB raises to $153.63 and is all-in, Hero calls $70.75 and is all-in

Hero shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 68%, Flop 57%, Turn 0%)
SB shows 6 A (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 32%, Flop 43%, Turn 100%)
SB wins $231.50


I was flatting a lot of 3 bet hands, so if i 4bet here i would be unbalanced. initially i put him on complete air, and if he actually held a premium holding i was drawing pretty slim with a queen on board. i check the flop and expected a bet from almost every hand on the turn. I bet, get C-raised. Only 3 hands come to mind: complete air, Ace of clubs semi bluff, or a set of queens (since i had the king of clubs and the queen was on board, there are less combos, AJc, ATc probably would have bet out on one of the streets) and elected to call the turn and see what would happen on the river, and bam 2 outter hits thanks to the rig

so you were folding if the river was the 2?

You played every street of this hand badly, although the preflop was just ok. The rest was terrible.

70% chance i would have folded.

At that point on the turn, in my mind it was a set of Queens 30%, Aces with the club 25%- naked ace club draw 25%/ air 20%. (his 3b pre was 9%)

So here's a question, how often is he actually going to bluff air and the club draw (if he holds the ace of clubs, then what am i possibly bet/calling with on the turn that will fold on a dry river)

Let's say he bluffs the river in this situation about 50% of the time, so then there is 45%*50% = 22.5% he's bluffing.

just my thoughts on it, but i know my play and thoughts are not perfect in anyway when i'm multi tabling

River was standard, to be fair. Agree with flop and turn being horrible.

since this isnt the strat forum i wont go into detail... but your play and thoughts arent very good off the table either... if you post the hand in a the strat forum you will get good responses on how to improve your game and why folding blank rivers would be bad

im not saying that the villain played they hand well either

Calling the turn and folding a blank river is usually pretty bad.

the odds are he would not bet it, but let's not turn this into a strat thread

thats fine with me because the more people who play like you the better... but twoplustwo is a large place and i do spend most of the time in the strat forums helping people who want to improve their game... you seem to know about a lot of concepts but not how to properly implement them... strat forum would do you a lot of good and help you win a bunch more money

Thats all the hands u could deal with, at least u stopped early, i gave up after almost 30k hands of downswing right from start. I understand variance but for Merge to have this bad downswings when u start on there site is just ridiculous.

Really 1 day out of how many before u seen this kind of graph? I remember weeks ago u saying u were on a 18 buyin downswing and it finally arrived after all this time? U know how many buyins + i have been able to accumulate at other places in that amount of time and much less effort and stress on myself.

Quess you don't understand variance at all.

[ ] 18 buyin downswing
[x] 18 buyins under ev
[ ] all the money ive made
[ ] stressed

at higher limits obviously you should abuse table selection it as much as possible, didnt think it happened so much on the lowest limit though

its almost sad that someone is so wtfserious about making small money through that

most of them are romanians and seem to do this as work, so guess it matters more then

I R RIVERMANIAC

RIVER AGGRESSIONYou are 51% more aggressive than optimal. Be a lot less aggressive!

If you hung out in the strat forums instead of thinking the game is rigged, you'd long ago have learned that table selection is a useful skill to develop from the moment you start playing cash games of any level.
When you had stats like 22/6, I would have marked you as a loose passive player and colour-coded you as a fish. When I open the Stars lobby, I hunt down those exact players, and I guarantee most of the regs do likewise. (Even at 2NL, if there is one fish at a table with a $5 stack, the waiting list will be 10 names long).

30K starting stacks. Blinds 300/600.

UTG limps. Raise utg+1 for 2000 with KK. All fold to UTG who calls.

Flop 783 rainbow. Checks to me. Cbet 3800, UTG shoves, I cover by about 2K.

I call. Show Kings. UTG shows AJ. Turn 8, river A.

**** live poker, it's so riggied it's ridiculous and obvious to anyone that actually plays the game.

Does anyone else find that a bit sad?

Not at all. The so called shills at least TRY to engage in logic debate. Not a common activity for most riggies.

Shutup. I know variance pretty well im trying to wake up people to the Merge network and all of its skins. Go start an account on Merge and play i guarantee u cant have a good time or enjoy playing poker during this time. Before u say variance go play on there for a while and see what happens.
I have successfully cashed in online poker plenty of times and here is another tip take it for what its worth everytime i have cashed out my money i have gone on a bad run afterwords when i continue to play, coincidence? or a rig computer system? Not saying u cant win online because i win but there are things people need to be aware of.
Oh so u dont say this or that my stats are 14/11.