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01-06-2012 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
Woah woah Im still waiting for how ******ed this theory is ...please explain!
Your "theory" is that instead of essentially setting up computers to spit out random numbers between 1 and 52, they (somehow) wrote out tens of billions of hands, in advance, and use those instead.

It's like falling down skiing and blaming it on the resort you're staying at, but they didn't just want to **** with you, they went out and deliberately hand placed all the snow artificially.

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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
1. Log into PTR.
2. Click the following link: http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...nners-alltime/
3. Marvel at how those 50 players have each won more than $750,000 on Pokerstars.
4. Go and tell them that they were wrong to chase their dream.
That doesn't discredit his dumb dumb theory that selected accounts literally cannot win.
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01-06-2012 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Your "theory" is that instead of essentially setting up computers to spit out random numbers between 1 and 52, they (somehow) wrote out tens of billions of hands, in advance, and use those instead.
Don't forget they also take into account how the hands will be played (by unknown players) in advance. Quite the elaborate rig, but why care about this silly "superbot" variant, when a couple of simple ones would be much more fun to merge and enjoy:

"D" boy's one player per hand theory along with the guy who said every player on a site loses more than 50% of coinflips. Imagine the possibilities if those two minds collaborate on a grand unified riggie theory.


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Originally Posted by otatop
That doesn't discredit his dumb dumb theory that selected accounts literally cannot win.
http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...?t=2&rc=886168

That guy literally could not win, though calling huge river bets with 6 high probably was part of the reason. Maybe the rig forced him to make those plays.
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01-06-2012 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Yet more evidence that you're covering up PokerStars' rigging and should be tried for crimes against humanity.
That bolded statement is rich.
The people that should be tried for crimes against humanity are you site promoters, affiliates, etc. and the rest of the slim that push so hard to sell the online poker scam, and try to make others believe its a fair game. When in fact, its not even close.
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01-06-2012 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
That bolded statement is rich.
The people that should be tried for crimes against humanity are you site promoters, affiliates, etc. and the rest of the slim that push so hard to sell the online poker scam, and try to make others believe its a fair game. When in fact, its not even close.
Prove it.
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01-06-2012 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
That bolded statement is rich.
The people that should be tried for crimes against humanity are you site promoters, affiliates, etc. and the rest of the slim that push so hard to sell the online poker scam, and try to make others believe its a fair game. When in fact, its not even close.
So you don't think people that have proof and are keeping it hidden are worse than say Wiki?
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01-06-2012 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
On a double green wheel the chance of 100 spins without any is 1 in 223.

Pretty common.

On single green it's 1 in 15. Not even noteworthy on that one.
And yet everytime I bet red or black it comes in green, must be rigged.

But thanks for the numbers might make the riggies think about how often unusual things happen (but I doubt it).
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01-07-2012 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
That bolded statement is rich.
The people that should be tried for crimes against humanity are you site promoters, affiliates, etc. and the rest of the slim that push so hard to sell the online poker scam, and try to make others believe its a fair game. When in fact, its not even close.
And yet they have never been proven to lie whilst you have when you linked to and back a video that states 10% of the players would bust the other 90% within 10000 hands.

Double standards ITT Mr. ******
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01-07-2012 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
So you don't think people that have proof and are keeping it hidden are worse than say Wiki?
This! Is there a bigger hypocrite in this thread than BR? If he cared a lick about actually helping the people he claims to care about he'd disclose his 10 pages of evidence he says he has.
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01-07-2012 , 01:15 AM
blatant****** is has an unbeatable "debate" strategy. Make **** up and say it's the gospel, and do it over and over and over. Realize that he doesn't believe anything he posts, it's obviously a big game for him to stimulate argument over made up ****. I'm pretty sure he has no other life so by trying to rule this thread he finally has some power in his own mind. And since people keep responding to his made up ****, he's kind of winning in his mind.
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01-07-2012 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
And since people keep responding to his made up ****, he's kind of winning in his mind.
But would this thread have any entertainment value without people like him?
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01-07-2012 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
I'm pretty sure he has no other life so by trying to rule this thread he finally has some power in his own mind.
If I banged my head against a wall 1600 times I should think I'd lose my mind. BR has posted almost that many times in this thread, saying much the same thing every single time.

+1600
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01-07-2012 , 02:53 AM
It should be obvious by now that BR is not a serious poster. For reasons only known to himself he just likes to come here and make a foll of himself.

He probably does as much to discredit the riggie cause as all the 'shills' put together.

Good job, BR.
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01-07-2012 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sewhog
http://www.thehendonmob.com/alex_rou...yer_are_losers
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For the purpose of this article I’ve used a couple of my own databases-both from Full Tilt- which contains about 3.4 million hands each
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Increase the entry requirements to 5,000 hands, and only 721 HE players and 772 Omaha players are left.
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Thanks for explaining. Maybe you could also explain how 721 HE and 772 Omaha players played a total of 1,492 hands at over 5,000 hands each. Multiply 1,492 by 5,000 = 7,460,000 hands, but Alex Rousso only researched 6,800,000 hands?

Are you actually now trying to discredit an article that you originally posted in support your own belief, though erroneously, regarding the number of people who win at online poker?

Also, what does that sentence say? "721 HE and 772 Omaha players played a total of 1,492 hands at over 5,000 hands each" What? Where does 1,492 hands come from.

It seems that the people who posted right after you think that you meant the 1,492 number to refer to the total number of the HE and Omaha players. I can't figure out anything more likely than that so I'll go with that. The number of total players is actually 1,493, however.

1,493 * 5,000 = 7,465,000.

Anyway as has already been pointed out more than one player can play in the same poker hand. So one hand may be played, but 8 different players in the database may play in it. Therefore, multiplying the total number of players by 5,000 (the minimum number of hands played by said players) will not give you the smallest possible number of hands logged in the database. It may as well just give you a random number since it is completely useless.

Last edited by Lego05; 01-07-2012 at 04:25 AM. Reason: I messed up the number too.
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01-07-2012 , 04:18 AM
1,493*
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01-07-2012 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
1,493*
Thank you.
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01-07-2012 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
It may as well just give you a random number since it is completely useless.
There is no such thing according to riggie folklore
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01-07-2012 , 11:37 AM
In before merge.

(This is actually well worth a click!)
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01-07-2012 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Not by itself, because this does happen in real casinos on true wheels, and in fact it must happen with a truly random wheel. It happens about once in 3.5 million spins. So you need more information than that something happened once, with that many spins probably happening every week just in Las Vegas.

You need to show that something happens more often than it would by random chance, not just that it happened.
Yes in real casinos it happens and far more it happens at online casinos which is even more rigged than poker by the way. Theoretically it can happen that a colour comes lets say 16 times in a row but. And you have to ask yourself this question. How likely is it?
numbers go to eternity so it is possible and 30 times in a row could be just small variance if you take highest number like billions but again. How likely is it?
Why should it happen that you lose 75 percent of coinflips against certain players? Why you should be that unlucky?
I even lost more than 50 percent of games against someone where i had most time favourite hands and i know even the name of the player. Its even listed at a online statistic site.

Last edited by truthsbehind; 01-07-2012 at 12:40 PM.
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01-07-2012 , 12:17 PM
This is really old. I seen this before from years ago.
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01-07-2012 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
Yes in real casinos it happens and far more it happens at online casinos ahich is even more rigged than poker by the way.
Evidence?
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01-07-2012 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
Yes in real casinos it happens and far more it happens at online casinos ahich is even more rigged than poker by the way.
I don't know if that is true at all. I made a lot of money off online blackjack before. Plus have seen others who have won a lot of money off online casinos. I am sure there are a lot more losers but the games are -ev anyway. In that sense they are rigged and so are the live in the houses favor just by the nature of the games. They are designed to take your money.
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01-07-2012 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
1. Log into PTR.
2. Click the following link: http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...nners-alltime/
3. Marvel at how those 50 players have each won more than $750,000 on Pokerstars.
4. Go and tell them that they were wrong to chase their dream.

I'm only going to tell you this one more time: Pokerstars is a tough site to beat, not because it's rigged, but because most of the best players (at every stake level) that are legally allowed to play there do play there. Somewhere in the region of 30% of all Pokerstars players make a post-rake, pre-reward profit. You're not in that 30%. (I'm only just in it myself). Learn to play better, or find an easier site. Simples.

P.S. Even 2NL is tough for newbies to beat, but lots of players have won thousands of dollars playing it on Pokerstars.
http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...e/0.01-0.02-NL
The all-time biggest winner at 2NL on Stars (Blackrain79) often posts in the 2+2 Beginner's Questions forum. You can tell him he's wrong for "chasing his dream", or you could read some of his posts and actually learn how to play better. It's your choice.
You think too simple. I admit that Pokerstars has much tougher players but that doesnt mean its not rigged.

As i said before and often you cant win if you are not allowed to win. I know much about poker but of course you can always learn more. I made with five dollar sngs a thousand in some months so if i would have no skills then there wouldnt be a result like that.

I dont say dont chase a dream. Poker is a great game. But i am saying Pokerstars will not allow some players to win. I never said its rigged for all but for many it is rigged mode at Pokerstars.

And yes i play at other sites but you can never be sure as long there is no state control of the card generator.
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01-07-2012 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
How likely is it?
numbers go to eternity so it is possible and 30 times in a row could be just small variance if you take highest number like billions but again. How likely is it?
It's so cute when people make it so clear they have zero understanding of statistics yet are certain they have proof online poker is rigged.
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01-07-2012 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jmurjeff
I don't know if that is true at all. I made a lot of money off online blackjack before. Plus have seen others who have won a lot of money off online casinos. I am sure there are a lot more losers but the games are -ev anyway. In that sense they are rigged and so are the live in the houses favor just by the nature of the games. They are designed to take your money.
Yes roulette is always -ev thats right. But in rigged mode its even more -ev. Time is money and online sites know that.
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