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12-23-2011 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
You should really consider stopping the "my dick is smaller than yours" stuff that you always do.
Yeah, the way he only comes out of hiding to stalk Monty is a little creepy. I think he searches for him every day so he can rail him.
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12-23-2011 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Yeah, the way he only comes out of hiding to stalk Monty is a little creepy. I think he searches for him every day so he can rail him.
yah & the way you & bingo stick up for Monty is really creepy also!
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12-23-2011 , 07:52 PM
Ouch! Zinger!
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12-23-2011 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
yah & the way you & bingo stick up for Monty is really creepy also!
All the pro-online poker scam people stick up for each other.
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12-23-2011 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
Seems nearly impossible to gain money in any way, even if I have very strong and proven working tactics for especially 9 max. (Made -18 on 60 000 hands on stars , whereas I made at least 300€ on different sitewith equal hands),
Different sites have different player pools, some are harder, some are softer. My point being that what might be a winning strategy on a smaller softer site might need tweaking on a tougher site.

Really that's the same reason so many Americans find sites rigged. They remember playing on Party Poker or whatever back when anyone who knew not to stack off with TPNK could make a fortune. Now that you have to actually be good they don't adjust to current games and get destroyed.

I'm not trying to say "Keep playing there!", if you feel like Stars is unbeatable, quit. I am saying that I highly doubt Stars is trying to keep good 2NL players down, because it makes no sense. You have some obvious leaks (only getting all in when you're sure you're ahead is a leak, especially at 2NL) that you can probably get away with on soft sites, but get picked apart on a site like Stars, where people with enough determination can masstable microstakes and do pretty ok for themselves (relatively speaking).
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Maybe he has better patience than me, around 10$ per 10000 hands. Means you are not able to make almost any mistakes, but he's overly agressive and overbetting with top pair.. which is quite risky.
You have to be aggressive to win at 2NL. Players are passive to the point that you can be almost too aggressive and stack off somewhat light.

If it helps, my Cbet% was 76.6%, and my aggression was 26.4%, and my winrate was 13.53 bb/100.
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12-23-2011 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Different sites have different player pools, some are harder, some are softer. My point being that what might be a winning strategy on a smaller softer site might need tweaking on a tougher site.

Really that's the same reason so many Americans find sites rigged. They remember playing on Party Poker or whatever back when anyone who knew not to stack off with TPNK could make a fortune. Now that you have to actually be good they don't adjust to current games and get destroyed.

I'm not trying to say "Keep playing there!", if you feel like Stars is unbeatable, quit. I am saying that I highly doubt Stars is trying to keep good 2NL players down, because it makes no sense. You have some obvious leaks (only getting all in when you're sure you're ahead is a leak, especially at 2NL) that you can probably get away with on soft sites, but get picked apart on a site like Stars, where people with enough determination can masstable microstakes and do pretty ok for themselves (relatively speaking).

You have to be aggressive to win at 2NL. Players are passive to the point that you can be almost too aggressive and stack off somewhat light.

If it helps, my Cbet% was 76.6%, and my aggression was 26.4%, and my winrate was 13.53 bb/100.
Interesting that your playing experiences are all in the past. My this "was" and my that "was".
But as all the rest of the affiliates, promoters, etc. that live in this thread, you stop at nothing to defend the rigged OLP scam. Why is that?
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12-23-2011 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Interesting that your playing experiences are all in the past. My this "was" and my that "was".
Well you see, I live in California. For some crazy reason, I can't manage to get PokerStars to let me play since about April. You may have heard some rumblings about it.
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But as all the rest of the affiliates, promoters, etc. that live in this thread, you stop at nothing to defend the rigged OLP scam. Why is that?
When have I promoted a site? When have I defended a site?

I don't need to be paid to think you're a moron.
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12-23-2011 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Any riggie who had the skill to do an analysis would have pretty quickly discovered that there is no evidence of rigging and would probably stopped being a riggie.

It's the hardcore rigtards who haven't the first clue about proper analysis nor how to go about it that cling to their paranoid theories.
4000 posts vehemently defending a game you don't even play. Your like the loyal sibling defending his molesting uncle. " But he was always so nice to me he would never do that. I can't believe it. No no it's not true. Mom tell the police its not true."
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12-23-2011 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
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Very understandable. There is one solution to this problem. Just like the people who click on articles of Kim K. By feeding the monster, it wont go away.
Best way the eliminate all these scam OLP sites is to stop depositing. Not as easy as it sounds, I know, but without the money, they go out of business.
thats why certain cash game "regs" will always run good hitting that big tourney to maintain a steady cash flow. And why other players who complain or show a regular diet of cashing out after big scores will continue to run horrible late in tournments because they are not feeding the beast. You think players skill sets are the only things monitored by the sites, not game selection, game volume, rakes per session, habituality of cashing out after big scores, bankroll maintainment. They probably hire people to specifically monitor these things than * mark* players accordingly. Silly right. Obviously. It's not like this is a shady industry or anything that needs to find every angle to increase/maintain profit margins.

Where is my proof that such things could occur?. Lets ask Calin Ayre and his thoughts on marking players.How many years of researching dedicated to this new advanced revolutionary technology? Or how about the DOJ and the integrity of these industries. Last time I checked people are not federally indicted who have other peoples * best intrests* at heart.... ie. ( it's ok to frauded banks they did it for the players!) RAH! RAH! Rasputin!!!

Last edited by hellojello; 12-23-2011 at 11:51 PM.
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12-23-2011 , 11:54 PM
http://www.pokerjunkie.com/poker-blo...tion-on-audits

this artical always cracks me up.....

"I’ve worked at PokerStars long enough to have sat in an office with the people who founded this fine company, people who are much more likely to get on the phone to make some secret charity donation, than to call up the programmers to say, “Can you up the rig levels to 6.9” or something ridiculous like that!"

"Yes, really what I’m saying is that PokerStars is a white fluffy cute dog, that rolls over so you can tickle its tummy. And would a fluffy puppy deal you fixed cards? No of course not!"


no cute puppies just fraud banks and money launder....LOL...Woof Woof MEOW Gobble Gobble
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12-23-2011 , 11:59 PM
"If I’m working support I’ll write back with a report that uses facts not sweeping language, and says something like, ‘Here’s a report based on your hand histories for the last 30 days, as you can see you won 84.6% with AA, although the expectation was 85%.’"

ya but what those numbers don't show is you won 80% with AA folded to you in the big blind and the other 4.6% you won you actually lost 90% of the time to hands like ace rag and 10 6 suited all in pre flop. Hey it all looks random overall. Right.
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12-24-2011 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
.You think players skill sets are the only things monitored by the sites, not game selection, game volume, rakes per session, habituality of cashing out after big scores, bankroll maintainment. They probably hire people to specifically monitor these things than * mark* players accordingly.
Get hired.
Whistleblow.
Get on the cover of time magazin.
Profit.
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12-24-2011 , 12:05 AM
"If we ran some huge audit of hands it might be a way to convince a few more doubters, but perhaps it’s a bit like McDonalds being asked to prove they put 100% beef in their burgers? They know they’re 100% beef, most of the public know they’re 100% beef, do they need some scientific study to prove they’re all cow!? Maybe they could do this and then burger-haters would still claim they’d fixed the scientific study"

100% beef with a bunch of add ons and fillers to make it about as healthy as drinking small dosages of poison. This is why people lower down the totem poll get exposed covering up lies for the bigger fish higher up. They are told what to say and when to say it. I am sure those workers in payment processing who frauded banks and money laundered were just following orders as well, doing there jobs they were told to do and told to believe is right or else someone else would be hired to do it. Kinda the same deal as the person serving those suspected 100% beef burgers but how would they know if all of a sudden the burgers were not. They would have zero clue. They don't make them. They just serve them and than serve the rhetoric written by someone else to defend them. It's all about perception. Perception to us and perception from/to employees. You shills and affliates can relate. Your part of the cyclicle circus party. Cups of fresh yummy kool-aid in hand singing koombya my lord, assured by those above you all is calm all is bright.You'll never get caught and if you do you have no idea what your getting caught for. Your puppets.
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12-24-2011 , 02:33 AM
Hellojello,

You are a smart man. I enjoy reading your posts very much! It is always nice to see other open minded people that are capable of thinking critically. Why these shills continue to endlessly defend a completely corrupted industry is beyond me. Perhaps they aren't good enough players for the sites to penalize them; perhaps they are on the receiving end, which would still make them losing players anyway.

Any good player that takes the time to keep track of their stats. on important hands will discover just how skewed the games are.
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12-24-2011 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
They are told what to say and when to say it. I am sure those workers in payment processing who frauded banks and money laundered were just following orders as well, doing there jobs they were told to do and told to believe is right or else someone else would be hired to do it. Kinda the same deal as the person serving those suspected 100% beef burgers but how would they know if all of a sudden the burgers were not. They would have zero clue. They don't make them. They just serve them and than serve the rhetoric written by someone else to defend them. It's all about perception. Perception to us and perception from/to employees. You shills and affliates can relate. Your part of the cyclicle circus party. Cups of fresh yummy kool-aid in hand singing koombya my lord, assured by those above you all is calm all is bright.You'll never get caught and if you do you have no idea what your getting caught for. Your puppets.
I'd be really interested to hear a theory regarding the current shill mutiny going on in the rest of this forum.
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12-24-2011 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by thorag
Get hired.
Whistleblow.
Get on the cover of time magazin.
Profit.
This.
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12-24-2011 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
... vehemently defending a game you don't even play.
Evidence?

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Your like the loyal sibling defending his molesting uncle.
That would be a loyal nephew, wouldn't it?

It's your inability to attend to these little details (also, I think you meant "you're" rather than "your" - it really isn't difficult to get that right) that causes you to play so badly that you have to convince yourself that the deal is rigged to avoid the ego hit that would result from admitting the truth.
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12-24-2011 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Wakeup!
Any good player that takes the time to keep track of their stats. on important hands will discover just how skewed the games are.
So why can't they do the simple analysis that would enable them to provide Evidence and blow the whole thing out of the water?

Rather than just coming here making spurious allegations and patting each other on the back for making repetitive, libellous, posts.
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12-24-2011 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
So why can't they do the simple analysis that would enable them to provide Evidence and blow the whole thing out of the water?

Rather than just coming here making spurious allegations and patting each other on the back for making repetitive, libellous, posts.
You can't blow it out of the water with all of the evidence in the world! That is the point! The sites are operated outside of US jurisdiction. You should have thought of this.
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12-24-2011 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Evidence?



That would be a loyal nephew, wouldn't it?

It's your inability to attend to these little details (also, I think you meant "you're" rather than "your" - it really isn't difficult to get that right) that causes you to play so badly that you have to convince yourself that the deal is rigged to avoid the ego hit that would result from admitting the truth.
wait, Wiki = SCS? LOL, it makes perfect sense now!
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12-24-2011 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Wakeup!
You can't blow it out of the water with all of the evidence in the world! That is the point! The sites are operated outside of US jurisdiction. You should have thought of this.
What has US jurisdiction got to do with it?

I play from the UK.

The largest site in the world is within our territorial waters.

Not that it makes any difference where the site is based. It's not just government action that a site has to fear.

If it rigged the deal to any noticeable effect it would be quickly discovered and the resultant brouhaha would shrink their customer base to a tiny fraction of what it was.

They would be killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

And none of this explains why no riggie has yet come up with a single, tiny, scrap of Evidence for this supposedly obvious rig.
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12-24-2011 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by yourewrong
wait, Wiki = SCS? LOL, it makes perfect sense now!
Evidence?
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12-24-2011 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
And none of this explains why no riggie has yet come up with a single, tiny, scrap of Evidence for this supposedly obvious rig.
Where is your evidence for this assertion?
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12-24-2011 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Where is your evidence for this assertion?
I present this thread as evidence of my assertion.

If you can find any credible evidence of rigging here I will retract.
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12-24-2011 , 05:38 AM
it is all for entertainment purposes. notice the entertainment ps gives out. it's hilarious.
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