The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 1631 - Internet Poker

Good first post. Without even reading I predict he said something like:

Online poker is rigged because i am a very good player i am reading the books i know when to play the hands therefore i should win everytime because i am the best no one can defeat me but i lose all the time therefore online poker must be rigged because i am best online no one can match me.

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10-19-2011 , 07:32 AM

#40752

ItzPenzoo

banned

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10-19-2011 , 07:36 AM

#40753

buck22

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,290

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Originally Posted by woodys

I read the first four lines or so, clearly you're dumb enough to:

- think online poker is rigged

- be unable to use paragraphs

It took you 4 lines to conclude this?

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10-19-2011 , 07:53 AM

#40754

Bladesman87

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I scanned the mighty wall and picked out the highlights.

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This strategy has worked best for me online as well before i go broke.

Lol.

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I dont see how anyone who plays low limit poker .50 $1 or less can consistently make money.

Obviously not everyone can win.

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10-19-2011 , 08:10 AM

#40755

Thirsty Pretzels

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 33

Para.

Giraffes.

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10-19-2011 , 08:22 AM

#40756

Pay4Myschool

Haz Chuck Norris 4 Dad

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,462

But how much did you loose OP?

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10-19-2011 , 09:32 AM

#40757

OklaHustler

adept

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 819

So I (apparently the only one) read the wall of txt. I now have a headache and need glasses. Some things that will help your online game that I have read in the other threads about this include:

Wearing a tinfoil hat
Moving up till they respect your raises
Playing in your moms basement
Having a pair of mustard stained underwear on during sessions

Stick to Live if you are winning there, no sense in donating if you have the boomswitch on ya....Good luck sir

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10-19-2011 , 09:43 AM

#40758

Viktor Hovland

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,359

his live stats are obviously very stretched or a flat out lie. its the internet for gods sake.

btw if no one else randomly picked a sentence in the middle and read it, he considers himself a pro

(insert meme here)

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10-19-2011 , 09:44 AM

#40759

Aruj Reis

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,688

Holy wall of text, Batman!

cliffs Okla?

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10-19-2011 , 10:04 AM

#40760

llDayo

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 461

Online IS rigged because I'm not a millionaire from it but others are and I've watched them on tv and now know how to play. I also won money some place at some time once playing live so I know what I'm talking about.

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10-19-2011 , 10:25 AM

#40761

Cracked_Avacado

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,978

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Originally Posted by aura

lulz

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10-19-2011 , 10:27 AM

#40762

mewing11

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 7

Guess it was too much to ask for any "poker players" on here to actually read something more than a sentence. I didnt know a post on 2p2 had to be in mla format. I never said online was rigged, nor did i claim to be a pro beyond the fact thats the only term i had to describe it being my only income for 8 months. All im getting at is why can i have a consistent winning succes live and not online. Does anyone else have the same problem?

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10-19-2011 , 10:30 AM

#40763

Shhhhtonk

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 282

Ok OP I'm going to read it now

Edit: Couldn't do it

Last edited by Shhhhtonk; 10-19-2011 at 10:31 AM. Reason: Sorry

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10-19-2011 , 10:32 AM

#40764

Aruj Reis

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,688

still can't read it, errrrrrrrr... won't

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10-19-2011 , 10:36 AM

#40765

OMGKaraScott

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 391

My friend has a hamster that can beat live 1-2.

Here it is, he just busted hellmuth at 7c stud event at this years wsop, such a hustler:

Last edited by OMGKaraScott; 10-19-2011 at 10:39 AM. Reason: pics ldo

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10-19-2011 , 10:39 AM

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Aruj Reis

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,688

How the hell does the hamster even make a bet?

He's got 8 friggin' cards! This is not right.

edit: He doesn't even have opposable thumbs.

Last edited by Aruj Reis; 10-19-2011 at 10:42 AM. Reason: typo. probaly more...

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10-19-2011 , 10:43 AM

#40767

Plz Forgive Me

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Originally Posted by mewing11

I started playing poker with friends and naturally gravitated online. Ive played most major sites including bodog, stars, full tilt, and cake poker. I have worked on my game over the years reading books, posts, and studying betting strategies watching poker on tv etc. I feel like i have become a better than average poker player yet i would never claim to be on any professsional level. Ive had concerns about online poker from the start. Just like most comments i see from people i experience the same results with horrible consistent bad beats, the terrible runs after a cash out, and the immediate great run of cards after joining a site only to be crushed and wiped out in a one or two day period. i think like a lot of people also i didnt want to believe that it could or was rigged in anyway. I was just having a bad run of cards and variance would play out. Ive cashed out some wins but am an overall online loser. I have turned 20 bucks numerous times as high as 1000 only to lose it all in a few days. Recently in the city i live our casino approved table games. I started going every once and a while and had success. i was working a reg job that didnt pay very great and got fed up one day and quit. Id put applications in during the day and play cards to make money til i foind a job. After a few weeks and no luck with a job i decided to just play poker full time. I ended up playing poker as my career for 8 months before i found a better paying job. I had good success during my stint as a poker pro. I played 6-10 hours 5 or 6 times every week. I only played 1 2 nl and in total won over $14,000. I kept track of my hours and wins/losses everyday in a book. This really raised my suspicions of online poker. I always felt i was better than most players i played agaisnt online and playing live proved that i was better than average. Id like to think online isnt rigged as i still enjoy playing from time to time but i hardly play cause i always end up broke. Any thoughts on why my results could be so different between live and online play. Ive tried diff styles online, loose, tight, aggressive and all mixtures. Live i played a very tight aggressive game. This strategy has worked best for me online as well before i go broke. I know most people dont like to admit they are online poker losers but i think people should be honest so that we could understand whats really going on online. I dont see how anyone who plays low limit poker .50 $1 or less can consistently make money. And im referrring strictly to cash games. In my opinion i think most people make money in tourneys and dump it in cash or go on a big rush and also lose it. Im still not convinced online is rigged its just very suspicious to me. I saw a lot of hands and situations playing live in the 8 months and its not even close to what goes on online. I understand variance and the fact more hands are seen over a same time frame but something just doesnt add up. Certain situations i saw maybe once a month live i see daily online or sometimes more than daily. Id love to see some definitive proof of online hand histories that show the odds are correct. lastly something i want to bring up that ive never seen anyone talk about is the rake. Most people when they claim online is not rigged talk about someone has to win the money and its the good players. Thats correct if it wasnt all being drained by rake. I dont think anyone considers how much rake is actually taken online. I never really noticed til i got pokertracker. It was shocking to see in a short amount of time how much rake i was giving. I think in all the low level online poker games the rake ends up taking all the money. Almost like flipping a coin and two people start with 1000 dollars and bet 1 each flip. if someone takes 10 cents out of every bet its eventually going to take each 1000 dollars. one person might be ahead of the other but essentially the rake is going to take all the money. YOu see so many hands so fast online i believe the rake just ends up taking all the profits to everyone in low limit games. People who make money online play higher limits where rake doesnt affect the amount of money as much. Id really like peoples thoughts on that philosophy seeing how ive never seen anyone talk abobut that before. I mean ive started with 100 dollars before, built it to 250 in a few days and ive already paid 50 bucks in rake. Enough of my thoughts. Id really love to have other poker players inputs on all this.

Can't happen if you have any kinda decent BRM...

Also, not reading that.

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10-19-2011 , 10:49 AM

#40768

wild will

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,424

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Originally Posted by mewing11

I didnt know a post on 2p2 had to be in mla format. I never said online was rigged, nor did i claim to be a pro beyond the fact thats the only term i had to describe it being my only income for 8 months. All im getting at is why can i have a consistent winning succes live and not online. Does anyone else have the same problem?

online is harder to beat than live. this is not new.

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10-19-2011 , 10:54 AM

#40769

mewing11

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Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 7

What makes online harder to beat than live? The huge swings and variance? I honestly feel like players ive played live are much better players than most online. Im getting my chips in the majority of the time with a highly favored hand and im still losing.

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10-19-2011 , 10:57 AM

#40770

Aruj Reis

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,688

Just watch out for OMGKaraScott's friends hamster. You should be fine. GL at the tables!

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10-19-2011 , 10:58 AM

#40771

bahbahmickey

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Originally Posted by wild will

online is harder to beat than live. this is not new.

Pretty sure this is an accepted fact, OP. One reason it may be true- a good 1-2 live player (who buys in for $300 live) can play 8 tables for that same $300 to lower his risk. This means there are good 1-2 players playing 8 tables of .10/.25

Suggestions for OP: use paragraphs and cliffs next time

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10-19-2011 , 11:07 AM

#40772

mewing11

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 7

I understand multitabling reduces risk and variance, but the fact that a live player risks more playing one table, doesnt that make live poker tougher to beat? I dont think most low limit players online could be a consistent winner live at any limit, where as more live players have success playing online.

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10-19-2011 , 11:27 AM

#40773

Vuron00

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Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,061

I'm bored, so I actually read that wall of text. Anyway, here goes...

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horrible consistent bad beats, the terrible runs after a cash out, and the immediate great run of cards after joining a site

Selective memory. Do you keep track of anything? You said that you have PT, so you should be keeping track of sessions/hands? Perhaps if you posted your stats, people could actually help you with your leaks.

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I have turned 20 bucks numerous times as high as 1000 only to lose it all in a few days.

If you're losing your entire roll in a few days, then you are obviously playing too high. It seems like you may be able to beat very small limits, but are trying to play higher as soon as you get a little money. It is very possible that you can only beat the micro limits.

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I played 6-10 hours 5 or 6 times every week. I only played 1 2 nl and in total won over $14,000.

How many weeks and how many hours total did it take you to make $14k? What is your hourly winrate? As has already been said, live 1/2 compares to a very low micro limit online. I hope you're not playing 1/2 online because you think it compares to 1/2 live. Start with 20NL or something.

Are you kidding with the rake argument? Live rake is brutal and even worse if they have a BBJ. Get rakeback.

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10-19-2011 , 11:28 AM

#40774

Sauron92

adept

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 891

Too short; Never ever going to read.

Furthermore;
Live: rigged
Online: rigged

Only place to play non-rigged games: in space. That's why the Virgin Group worked to hard on those "travels to outerspace for the common millionaire"-trips.

Last edited by Sauron92; 10-19-2011 at 11:50 AM.

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10-19-2011 , 11:32 AM

#40775

bahbahmickey

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Originally Posted by mewing11

If you have players that win at 1-2 live and play .10/.25 online and the guys who play 1-2 online can then win at 5-10 live, and so on. For the sake of this argument focus on just the level you play live (let's say 1-2). If you play live you are playing against players that play 1-2 live, but if you play 1-2 online you are playing against guys that play 5-10 live.

Online players are also getting more hands in per/hr than live= more experience.

If you play at a casino you will play against a higher % of casual players than you will see online.

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