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08-02-2011 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Like I said Im not going to spend an hour correcting all the errors in your last post. I will however address the one in this post.

Comparing peoples statements about whether they properly received their items from a seller without getting ripped off to statements from disgruntled losing gamblers about whether they lost cause they suck or it was someone elses fault is beyond absurd. In the first situation there is none of your imaginary "feelings" involved. It is concrete. There is no speculation or guessing. The latter is obviously nothing but the opposite. Its hard to imagine you cant see the difference.
Fair enough, but explain why 888 and PP get decent reviews and non one talks about the RNG, or rarely talk about the RNG.

Yet on the same site with equally the same chance and no bias, over 90% of I_poker reviews talk about a rigged RNG.

Enlighten me.
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08-02-2011 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Don't you think quoting one of the posts you speak of would have been a much better comeback to shut him up? I wonder why you chose this opton instead?
NO. Hes a ****ing douchebag, hes seen the posts, dont like wasting a lot of time with site promoters, total waste.
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08-02-2011 , 04:12 PM
Please use the quote function, makes it much easier to reply to you


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Further than ignoring this conduct gets you.
not much further. What conclusions can you draw that helps determine if there is a rig going on?

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No, you are missing the key point. Creating a rig that makes sense for a company (profit/action) is all that was required. Showing it is detectable to the player using his HH is the next step.
There has been a lot of discussion about that in the past. Just because you've either forgotten or didn't bother to read the whole thread doesn't mean there is deafening silence.

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Any rig will effect card distribution but not all effects are stat. significant.

Why in the shilly world do all the hands have to be rigged? Or Monty's world all sites need to be rigged?
This is where you not having read the thread becomes a problem. You weren't here when the stats guys discussed this in detail. I don't know what you mean by affected the card distribution but not affectd the stats. Please elaborate.

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Because you think that the ability to analyze the HH's is all that is needed to show a rig.
It's the most important factor. If its happening it will leave a trail in the HHs. If the rig is not reflected in the HHs there is no reason to suspect it is going on.

how could it be otherwise?
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08-02-2011 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Fair enough, but explain why 888 and PP get decent reviews and non one talks about the RNG, or rarely talk about the RNG.

Yet on the same site with equally the same chance and no bias, over 90% of I_poker reviews talk about a rigged RNG.

Enlighten me.
I can assure you that every single poker site online to every single brick and mortar casino has been accused endlessly of being rigged by emotional irrational players. Your statement about no one questioning the deals at PP are false and merely a product of the small sample size of opinions youve apparently read and your own personal bias.

This doesnt mean that no poker games have been rigged. The main flaw with your original post is that you put stock in selective memory and emotions while ignoring the only thing that is accurate, the facts. We will never prove a site is rigged using your strategy. We will and have proven games are being cheated or manipulated by both other players and sites using the real data which doesnt ever lie.
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08-02-2011 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
I can assure you that every single poker site online to every single brick and mortar casino has been accused endlessly of being rigged by emotional irrational players. Your statement about no one questioning the deals at PP are false and merely a product of the small sample size of opinions youve apparently read and your own personal bias.

This doesnt mean that no poker games have been rigged. The main flaw with your original post is that you put stock in selective memory and emotions while ignoring the only thing that is accurate, the facts. We will never prove a site is rigged using your strategy. We will and have proven games are being cheated or manipulated by both other players and sites using the real data which doesnt ever lie.
No, the site is one site with reviews, no bias.

There are a very small % of posts about the RNG at PP and 88.com, decent sample.

Over 90% of I-Poker reviews, on the same site with the same bias discuss the rigged RNG.

Explain it.
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08-02-2011 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Fair enough, but explain why 888 and PP get decent reviews and non one talks about the RNG, or rarely talk about the RNG.

Yet on the same site with equally the same chance and no bias, over 90% of I_poker reviews talk about a rigged RNG.

Enlighten me.
There's a tool on the link below that will allow you to test your HH.

Please use it.

http://www.ispokerrigged.com/
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08-02-2011 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
No, the site is one site with reviews, no bias.

There are a very small % of posts about the RNG at PP and 88.com, decent sample.

Over 90% of I-Poker reviews, on the same site with the same bias discuss the rigged RNG.

Explain it.

You are asking the same question to which I just gave a detailed and clear explanation. Im not sure typing it again will help you understand it any better. Id suggest rereading my post again. Its clear you didnt understand because your very first sentence above is already inaccurate regarding what I actually said.
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08-02-2011 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
No, the site is one site with reviews, no bias.

There are a very small % of posts about the RNG at PP and 88.com, decent sample.

Over 90% of I-Poker reviews, on the same site with the same bias discuss the rigged RNG.

Explain it.
He did explain it. You have a very flawed approach to rational thinking, and it shows in every post. Trying to explain people who do not grasp basic logic is kind of a pointless, endless exercise because , well, they don't think in a logical manner.

You have not seen as many PP riggie posts so you think that proves something, when it proves nothing, however if it makes you more comfortable playing there then do just that.
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08-02-2011 , 05:01 PM
If you are Convinced that a site is "rigged" then do one of two things! Quit playing there and go where you are comfortable, OR try to figure out a system to beat the "rigging" like always folding a set to a flush draw or always folding KK preflop to avoid the "rigged " ACE that will "always" come or some other goofy stuff! I suggest the 1st course of action! Please!
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08-02-2011 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
how could it be otherwise?
They believe it can be otherwise. Pretty simple.

Welcome to debating believers.
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08-02-2011 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Just the entire flow of the games, massive hands and coolers just more than what I personally think is possible with a random deal.
Massive hands with coolers actually reduce site rake.
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As you've pointed out, I don't have the statistical proof, but as I said in my first post, that is never possible to achieve unless you have hole card info.
This is wrong, you have your own hole card info.

If other players are getting certain cards more than they should (because of some nefarious arrangement) then you must get those cards less often.

If you're able to notice this from simple human observation and memory, the statistical consequences would be very obvious.

Here's a simple demonstration of this:

1) How many coolers and massive hands do you see every 100 hands?

2) How many coolers and massive hands should you see every 100 hands?
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That said, I'm a strong believer in human instincts- our experiences tell us a lot, I have actually have a point to make regarding the integrity of poker deals.
Human instincts are terrible at randomness, and your belief that instinct is useful here is further evidence of your fundamental misunderstanding of both randomness and human instincts.

In short, our brains are hard wired to identify patterns quickly, and rely upon those judgements. If our forebears saw a lion running quickly towards us, they needed to very quickly identify it as a threat, plot a likely path of the lion, and get out of the way... and if they didn't identify this pattern, they'd die pretty quickly. Consequently, the only people alive today are the descendants of people who were good at identifying patterns.


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I know a lot of people won't have the patience to see this but it is based on customer reviews and how these are reliable-
Whether or not something is popular has no relationship to whether or not it is true.

The fact that there are a lot of people who believe in God is not evidence that there is (or is not) a god. It is simply evidence that a lot of people feel that way.

If most people thought that 1+1 = 3, that wouldn't make it correct. It would just make a lot of people wrong in their belief.

When discussing objective facts (such as whether or not something is genuinely random) popularity and opinion polls are useless.

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Ebay, we make purchaes, sales based on customer reviews/ratings. It is highly effective. If you go into Pokerscout.com and look at the reviews of 888.com, Party Poker and the I-Poker network, you will see that the latter's games are rigged. There is no proof, but there is undenaibale collective experiences which have real implications.
There used to be a review on there that falsely claimed to be written by me on the issue of shuffling at PokerStars. It was a lie. Some people lie. Some people are wrong. Both of those situations have no bearing on the objective fact of this issue.
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08-02-2011 , 05:58 PM
Why should FT rig their games? They obviously found a much easier way .. just take it out of the player accounts directly (and pray you get enough fresh deposits so nobody notices).
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08-02-2011 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Here's a simple demonstration of this:

1) How many coolers and massive hands do you see every 100 hands?
Too many.
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2) How many coolers and massive hands should you see every 100 hands?
Too many - n.
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08-02-2011 , 06:04 PM
In before merge? This guy will fit in nicely.
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08-02-2011 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
NO. Hes a ****ing douchebag, hes seen the posts, dont like wasting a lot of time with site promoters, total waste.
Worthless.

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08-02-2011 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
J9, I am unsure how the networks that share players through skins actually work to be able to respond. I have only played at the big 3.
Thank you, your honesty is appreciated.

I cannot comment on "the big 3" as u I live and play from the UK. Tbh, I have always been nervous about something like BF and have therefore never deposited on these sites.

Note to BR - Do you want to enter this debate and answer my direct question as has already been done?
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08-02-2011 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
NO. Hes a ****ing douchebag, hes seen the posts, dont like wasting a lot of time with site promoters, total waste.
So what your are saying is, you can be bothered to respond but not be bothered to link to anything of substance you have typed before.

Okay, for someone Blatantly******ed I guess that makes sense.

At least enter into some sort of debate as JJ is willing to do or GTFO
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08-02-2011 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by J9moron
So what your are saying is, you can be bothered to respond but not be bothered to link to anything of substance you have typed before.

Okay, for someone Blatantly******ed I guess that makes sense.

At least enter into some sort of debate as JJ is willing to do or GTFO
The world certainly would be a better place if your kind GTFO.
Anyway, merge network has many different skins. Sportsbook.com, playersonly, lock poker, etc. The cards come down the same on each site. You will see mr. A if you are playing on lock poker or if youre playing on playersonly.
I feel you ignorance prevents me from having any "how they manipulate the deal" discussions. You have your faith based belief which will not change.
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08-02-2011 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by delta6788
Merge was definitely rigged last night when i won their $215 high roller tourney...any rigtards have better online scores recently?
have another beer ...then You will be able to do anything!
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08-02-2011 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Riggies ignore the 'think' in the read : think : post, cycle.

So, by implication, they ignore all the things that there are that they should be thinking about.
Nope Im thinking the shilltards are ignoring the heads up challenge?.....come on
wiki 1 time heads up with you or your other account ...I dont care ......Your real account dont have bad stats (just wanted you to know that)...So quit hiding behind your fake account!
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08-02-2011 , 10:21 PM
Heads up for 1 month ban?....wiki?
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08-02-2011 , 10:25 PM
wiki ....You could never lose to a paranoid riggy could you.... We are all losers ....Just ask your account....Lol

The game has passed me byyyyyyy........Where is your balls boy?
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08-02-2011 , 10:28 PM
[QUOTE=joker15801;27953273]wiki ....You could never lose to a paranoid riggy could you.... We are all losers ....Just ask your other account....Lol

The game has passed me byyyyyyy........Where is your balls boy
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08-02-2011 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by joker15801
Nope Im thinking the shilltards are ignoring the heads up challenge?.....come on
wiki 1 time heads up with you or your other account ...I dont care ......Your real account dont have bad stats (just wanted you to know that)...So quit hiding behind your fake account!
I'll play you headsup for real money.
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08-02-2011 , 10:48 PM
Yeah, I will also. I prefer we do both NL and Omaha (one or both varieties) as well for a change of pace. Razz as well if you like. 27 triple draw also is fine.

Let me know.

If you just are doing it to mess with Wiki say so and I will step aside, though he will never play you.
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