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07-15-2011 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
I don't like the assumption here that "shill" is the opposite of "riggie". It isn't.

A shill is a person who pretends to be another player or disinterested third party, but is actually working with the game organiser to help con a "mark". I very much doubt if there are any shills here, because it would increase the number of people "in on the conspiracy" so increase the chance of leaks. In the juridictions most of the big sites operate within, having an employee or agent act as a customer to dupe other customers is highly illegal.

Many of the "symptoms" presented in this thread are entirely explainable through variance, chance or fallable perception/memory. And without any further evidence, they don't require any further inspection to be dismissed out of hand.

If there was a serious concern, with some credible evidence, then I'm sure it would get the attention it deserves.



Yeah, only 1784 people in this thread alone. I only see a certain kind of concern from all the site promoters in here though, which is trying to sway their common sense to think the deal is not manipulated.
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07-15-2011 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged

This remark is way out there Bingo_girl, even for you.
Excellent quoting skills again, well done.

I'm also enjoying being called bingo_girl. How foolish do I look telling you to grow up a few posts ago.

You could always illustrate why what I posted was 'way out there' instead of acting like a child but I'll leave you to make that choice
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07-15-2011 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Yeah, only 1784 people in this thread alone. I only see a certain kind of concern from all the site promoters in here though, which is trying to sway their common sense to think the deal is not manipulated.
There is nothing quite so uncommon as common sense, and the common sense you employ is the rarest of all.
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07-15-2011 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
There is nothing quite so uncommon as common sense, and the common sense you employ is the rarest of all.
Im sure it seems that way to an ignorant dreamer like yourself. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not one of the many site promoters here.
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07-15-2011 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Im sure it seems that way to an ignorant dreamer like yourself. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not one of the many site promoters here.
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07-15-2011 , 06:47 PM
You know... the Nazis truly believe Hitler was doing the right thing.. honest and all that.

You know.. the people who work for pokerstars truly believe that Pokerstars is honest.

Straight up though- there are probably like 3 people that know the truth whether it is or isnt so bitching bout it wont solve a thing.

I vote rigged...

Its only rigged if you imagine... like in the movie "Hook"
believe its there then youll see it!
but shieeeet- i aint gunna stop playing, its fun as **** playing online poker... AND i dont care if its rigged cause im playing for $10 tourneys and crap..

youd think all the "mods hand picking the rigged hands" would be spending there time where it matters.. imagine how much money stars would have to pay people - even at minimum wage to hand pick all these hands.. and none of these people have come out and said anything? nahh

cant be rigged.. i just like to think it is to make that ace on the river justified.
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07-15-2011 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Im sure it seems that way to an ignorant dreamer like yourself. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not one of the many site promoters here.
Recipe for every BR post ever written:

1) Post zero content relating to the thread
2) Try to sound smug despite being a complete moron
3) Sprinkle the words "dreamer", "site promoter" and "ignorant" in any order as often as possible despite them having no relevance to the post you are quoting
4) Repeat this post over and over and over again

The 'rigtards' need to loudly and publicly denounce BR as a damaging embarrassment to their cause because perhaps he will listen to them.
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07-15-2011 , 08:48 PM
After what I observed yesterday, I was convinced it was rigged, but now I've observed again today, I'm convinced it's not
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07-15-2011 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
After what I observed yesterday, I was convinced it was rigged, but now I've observed again today, I'm convinced it's not
It sure makes it easier to think it is as opposed to feel robbed by colluders, super mad for being tilted by bots or those lucky calling stations OR just plain old realization how bad your game was today.
Thinking its all rigged kinda makes it easier, after going up for couple of Ks just to end up being down couple of 100s at the end of the day.

Going through this every day, but that is what playing gazillion of turbo SNGs and tournaments will do to you.
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07-16-2011 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Recipe for every BR post ever written:

1) Post zero content relating to the thread
2) Try to sound smug despite being a complete moron
3) Sprinkle the words "dreamer", "site promoter" and "ignorant" in any order as often as possible despite them having no relevance to the post you are quoting
4) Repeat this post over and over and over again

The 'rigtards' need to loudly and publicly denounce BR as a damaging embarrassment to their cause because perhaps he will listen to them.
This.

Very much this.

BR is probably the only one here who is getting paid by the sites.

He's paid to post drivel so that no one will ever take any riggie seriously.

Guilt by association.
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07-16-2011 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Im sure it seems that way to an ignorant dreamer like yourself. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not one of the many site promoters here.
I recommend Pokerstars for a fair game and keeping player money safe.
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07-16-2011 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by AwwShiet
You know... the Nazis truly believe Hitler was doing the right thing.. honest and all that.

You know.. the people who work for pokerstars truly believe that Pokerstars is honest.
...
Surely mentioning the Nazis officially puts an end to this thread? According to Godwin's Law.

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Originally Posted by AwwShiet
...cant be rigged.. i just like to think it is to make that ace on the river justified.
You just won me over.
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07-16-2011 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
This.

Very much this.

BR is probably the only one here who is getting paid by the sites.

He's paid to post drivel so that no one will ever take any riggie seriously.

Guilt by association.
I think you're onto something here.

BR does behave much more like a classic marketing shill than others in this thread - a deliberate plant to divert and discredit the riggie argument.
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07-16-2011 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
I think you're onto something here.

BR does behave much more like a classic marketing shill than others in this thread - a deliberate plant to divert and discredit the riggie argument.
Now we have his number, perhaps he'll try a different tack.
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07-16-2011 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
This.

Very much this.

BR is probably the only one here who is getting paid by the sites.

He's paid to post drivel so that no one will ever take any riggie seriously.

Guilt by association.
I think youre forgetting, but you and a few other site promoters have already tried this idiotic tactic once before.
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07-16-2011 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
I think youre forgetting, but you and a few other site promoters have already tried this idiotic tactic once before.
Don't bother, shill.

It's quite obvious now that you are being paid by the sites to act like a complete imbecile to discredit the real riggies.

Which site are you working for? Not FTP, I suppose.

How much are they paying you?

I hope it's a lot as you're doing a really bang up job.
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07-16-2011 , 09:37 AM
My observations from Thursday is it's rigged.
However, my observations from Friday is it's not rigged.
So far my observations today are it might be rigged.
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07-16-2011 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
It's historic.

The rigtards, not having any cogent argument and suffering badly at the hands of those who want to see some evidence before accepting an accusation of criminal behaviour, resorted to calling anyone who did not agree with their view that OLP was rigged a 'shill'.

It may not be an accurate nomenclature but it does have the benefit of brevity.


As soon as world hunger, poverty and the problem with landmines is solved I heard Bono, Pitt and Lady D were going to join Wiki's crusade protecting internet poker sites from accused criminal behavior.

And you wonder why you are accused of being a shill? When you are on your death bed, I am sure you will look back on your accomplishments here and relish how you spent your time.
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07-16-2011 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
No, I am just laughing at the selective memory bias you have regarding all of the riggie claims tested all the time in this thread
example?
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07-16-2011 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
As soon as world hunger, poverty and the problem with landmines is solved I heard Bono, Pitt and Lady D were going to join Wiki's crusade protecting internet poker sites from accused criminal behavior.
This is a fairly standard ploy from a moron.

What you are trying to suggest is that as long as there are more important things going on in the world no one should complain about less important ones.

It's a point of view that is as bankrupt morally as it is intellectually.

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And you wonder why you are accused of being a shill?
LOL, when have I ever wondered at being accused of being a shill?

It's probably about the best I can expect from a group of people who, taken together, would probably struggle to attain the basic intelligence of an amoeba.
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07-16-2011 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
BR does behave much more like a classic marketing shill than others in this thread - a deliberate plant to divert and discredit the riggie argument.
It's so obvious once it's pointed out. Tell us who you're working for, BR.
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07-16-2011 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
This is a fairly standard ploy from a moron.

What you are trying to suggest is that as long as there are more important things going on in the world no one should complain about less important ones.

It's a point of view that is as bankrupt morally as it is intellectually.



LOL, when have I ever wondered at being accused of being a shill?

It's probably about the best I can expect from a group of people who, taken together, would probably struggle to attain the basic intelligence of an amoeba.
,

Over 7,000 posts, 90% of them defending those poor online poker sites from being maligned on a poker is rigged thread and you call someone else a moron. Rich. Ironic.

And no, I was not trying to suggest anything of the sort, but nice attempt to reframe the issue. I was pointing out out something much more obvious that you should be able to comprehend using simple logic.

I see you are reverting back to being the guy that neither side can stand.
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07-16-2011 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
It's probably about the best I can expect from a group of people who, taken together, would probably struggle to attain the basic intelligence of an amoeba.
Ahh, so you need all those posts to try to outsmart a single cell organism. Well, you are doing a stellar job. Keep up the quality work. That belief must really give your efforts a higher purpose.

I wonder where that puts you on the foodchain? Above a virus but below a gopher is my bet.
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07-16-2011 , 12:42 PM
If its rigged I think it works like in golf,you get a handicap,so players are even when they start playing(to make it more fun)but to make it even between poker player you have to give diffrent % chans to winn the hand.Right?

But to not be spotted,they make this random between the players what % you would get,so we can get a high % or a low % to winn the hand,and also it dosent matter if you are a winning or a loosing player,if we get diffrent % when we play we sometimes crush and sometimes loose,witch takes away alot of the skill,witch is bad for good players but good for the bad players and the house.

What makes a person even start thinking about rigg,for me its the so calld doom periods we are constantly getting when playing,is it varians or is it something in the software that change,I cant say 100% but after playing 8 years of poker and playing between 30k-60k hands per month.

It more or less feels like the software force you to loose from time to time,and most of the time when you have a "doom"period it happens on all of your tables,witch dosent make any sense to me logic,bc varians to me should be that your tables are going very diffrent,but when the "doom" hit it more or less allways goes bad on all of the tables and its almost impossible to winn a hand.You loose everywhere and everything.that is not varians to me,varians is you winn at one table and loose at the other.But its so super streaky,its so often you winn everywhere or loose everywhere,for me thats is defently a clear pattern and it makes me belive more and more that it is actually rigged.

Then if you/we all think about it,it maybe is a good thing even for the good players,bc if the bad players would loose to fast we also would loose the fish to fast,not only the house.
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07-16-2011 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kentruk
If its rigged I think it works like in golf,you get a handicap,so players are even when they start playing(to make it more fun)but to make it even between poker player you have to give diffrent % chans to winn the hand.Right?

But to not be spotted,they make this random between the players what % you would get,so we can get a high % or a low % to winn the hand,and also it dosent matter if you are a winning or a loosing player,if we get diffrent % when we play we sometimes crush and sometimes loose,witch takes away alot of the skill,witch is bad for good players but good for the bad players and the house.

What makes a person even start thinking about rigg,for me its the so calld doom periods we are constantly getting when playing,is it varians or is it something in the software that change,I cant say 100% but after playing 8 years of poker and playing between 30k-60k hands per month.

It more or less feels like the software force you to loose from time to time,and most of the time when you have a "doom"period it happens on all of your tables,witch dosent make any sense to me logic,bc varians to me should be that your tables are going very diffrent,but when the "doom" hit it more or less allways goes bad on all of the tables and its almost impossible to winn a hand.You loose everywhere and everything.that is not varians to me,varians is you winn at one table and loose at the other.But its so super streaky,its so often you winn everywhere or loose everywhere,for me thats is defently a clear pattern and it makes me belive more and more that it is actually rigged.

Then if you/we all think about it,it maybe is a good thing even for the good players,bc if the bad players would loose to fast we also would loose the fish to fast,not only the house.

The programming would be interesting to see. I don't think what you write is crazy, though. It is something that could be done. I think I have to play more live to see if the swings are similar. Yes, I certainly have noticed that when it goes bad, it can go really bad on more than one table and against any type of player.
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