Except:

Almost all the sites now use hardware RNG's.

Even on any tuppeny ha'penny site that didn't use an RNG, if you had the code you would need massive computing power to predict the RNG output in a viable timeframe.

Really please explain this.Or are you talking "WIKI" again.
All sites use Quantum true RNGs?

Which statement do you need explaining?

This hardware RNG " that all sites are using" and its working model please.

Always happy to oblige.

I'm not saying put him on ignore, just don't feed him for awhile.

Is subatomic particle behaviour really random? the way they behave is exactly as predetermined as everything else in the universe has been since the Big Bang.

The reason we think these specific particles behave randomly is simply that no human measurement has been able to account for their behaviour.

In this view, subatomic events do indeed have a prior cause, but we just don't understand it (yet), and the events therefore seem random to us. Determinist will say, quantum physics is exactly as suited for random number generation as is atmospheric noise is it really a definition of randomness.

Also what sites use these please.

That depends on which view you take.

Again, that is dependent on which view you take.

Next you are talking specifically about the deterministic view.

Whilst this is all correct it really doesn't have anything to do with poker RNG's, now, does it?

Even taking the 'deterministic' view, you are talking about quantum events of which at least trillions would be involved in setting one bit of any random number.

All we are concerned with is that:

a) There is no bias in the RNG (and here I mean 'bias' in a technical sense, not that it is biased towards any particular players. ).

b) There are no patterns in it's output that are practically predictable.

And the RNG's employed certainly satisfy those criteria.

PokerStars does.

Are you seriously wanting to get into a discussion about determinism and quantum theory here?

LOL no not with wiki. just passing a little time at work.

Try this: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/47...th-philosophy/

Neat forum!

As soda comes outta my nose LOL

W

wow.. 2-2 can mavs win?

If music was bs, you'd be a full symphony orchestra.

Gotta love how ray always makes with the substantive responses.

Your doing a great job of promoting the 'rigged' point of view.

Not.

rigged since they wont send you your winnings

Hi

I was at a programming conference the other day and I happened to be sitting with some programmers from the main poker sites and 2+2.

The discussion got around to rigging the deal and I was surprised to discover that all the site's programmers freely admitted that the deal was rigged, but only against certain players.

A bit of magic with laptops and smartphones and IP crosschecking by the 2+2 guy and we came up with this list of 2+2 usernames who are on the 'rigged for doomswitch' lists.

AMEC0404
banonlinepoker
Beaten Senseless
blatantlyrigged
BucketFoot
FatedToPretend
jjjou812
joker15801
obviously.bogus
PikachuDemolisher
pooflinger
raymears
Rounding4Rent
Sn8keChaRmer
SooperFish24
TwoMoos

Makes you think, doesn't it?

ZOMG!!!

My what now?

What are you gibbering about?

Jeez, that's embarrassing.

There's just no answer to that.

Heh, I like the avatar, but you might want to change it or risk being modhammered
Or at least throw a couple stars in it with photoshop or something.