I didn't think it was possible for a riggie to conduct himself so logically, but thank you for that. Posts like the ones you just responded to here are the reason why many people in this thread have pretty much given up trying to have a discussion.

Lost with KK three times in a two hour session last night (though one was played terribly post and I deserved to lose)

BoP does this mean the euro sites are now rigged as well?

Pretty convincing. Great news!

I would think it would be kind of dumb for a computer to cut the deck and burn between each street (as those are live card room measures of protection) but I guess I am just curious. Does the computer cut the deck and/or burn cards or are the top five cards after the players are dealt the cards that make up the flop, turn and river?

As I stated in an early post, I simply don't trust computer generated cards games over real cards and the protections afforded the player in a live action setting, so I am taking a break from playing online. No one has produced any evidence of rigging on this site and other than antedotal evidence (of which I have my own) reflecting odd defying results, and the idiots that think that is enough proof of anything are, well, idiots proving they are idiots.

All the evidence produced is in favor of the conclusion that the deal is random and the dealt hands approach the expected results. Josem has repeated shown PS has protection measures in place to ensure a fair deal. But a computer and a computer generated deck, table and players allows on line sites multiple opportunities to increase rake using methods unavailable to "live" casinos. Does this mean they cheat the players and rig the action? No, but because they have method, motive and opportunity, the players should question the sites and require proof of adequate protection measures.

But yet I remain a riggie because even if someone took all of my HH's and proved my actual results were within the SD of my expected results, I have lost more big pots on line, most when I was the significant favorite when the money went in, than I have playing live action.

My questions today are:
1. Would the shills defend online craps and blackjack sites as viciously as they defend the online poker sites.
2. Is banonline one of wiki's other "voices"?
3. Can banonline post in the bad beat thread instead of here?
4. What percentage of avatars on this site are of beautiful girl that the member knows?
5. Is my neighbor going to clean up the wiki his dog just took on my treelawn?

Ironically I (and other casino bonus whores) back in the day would post on the forums that online casinos were rigged, mainly to keep people from discovering how lucrative they were for as long as possible.


http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/

can show you a huge list of problem online casinos (including some that cheat), though most of the real issues with the online casinos were places that did not honor their bonus terms, or simply closed down and stole players money. The online casino business had a lot more basement operations than online poker so the industries are not perfect to compare, so just because "start-your-casino.com" with as casinomeister claims has a licensing jurisdiction of "Who freakin' knows" cheats players that is not really an indication of how a company such as Will Hill would behave.

As a riggie, you will enjoy the casinomeister site and it shows you just how companies generally cheat customers in the real world (hint, not by a complex rigging system).


No.



If you do a search of the threads he started you will see he has done that

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...me-win-984220/

where most of the people who replied laughed at him for making up hands.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...r-pics-920492/

where he described how he destroyed his monitor after a bad beat in a $5 game



http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...sk-pic-701345/

where he descried how he destroyed his computer desk after losing in a freeroll or something



He also posts once in a while in NVG like

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...don-ft-494181/

where most of those who replied suggested he get some therapy



100% > x >0%

Likely much closer to to the 0%



The beauty of the marketplace is you can likely find companies who will do that for you, one of which pitched on the Canadian TV show Dragon's Den this past week. Cost was $12 per visit.


Hope this helped and good luck in the live arena.

I lol'd.

i had a 15 minute wikii today,it had peanuts and corn in it pics to come

Lucky you, i'm very constipated lately

It will be when/if this shows up on the PS website. Until then, it's just one guy who works there asking everyone else to take his word for it, and is most likely someone who can't verify it first-hand because he can't read code.

It's also missing the word "always".

If you're not happy with them don't play there. Nobody are forcing you!
Anyway they will never be able to satisfied rigtards demands.

I'm playing on smaller network and they don't even explain in details how their RNG work. So with your mentality, i'm sure i will never see you there.
And you lose a lot of good opportunities

BBV is thataway ----------------->>>>>>>>

1. All money goes in when should be behind, surprised you are ahead and then lose.
2. Calls 30.00 into an 80.00 pot when behind and loses.

Am I missing something?

Do you want me to post 10 more hands where the hand with better equity held up? We can all post a few hands. It means nothing.


Also, strategy wise: In Hand Two bet the turn and then shove the river ... why the hell are you check/calling?

Well, I'm far late into this discussion but I guess I have my own contribution. A gentleman generally won't call a cheat unless he is far beyond sure that the person he is calling out is, without a doubt. I'm not sure of others but I'm getting sick of rash players who can't hold their tongue.

But whatever, here's my prime example. About a week or a half ago I was about half or 3/4ths through the ranks of a tournament, I'm sure it was either Omaha or Stud. I get switched to a different table with a reasonable sum, about $8000 or 6000, my memory is shy with solid numbers. Hah. Every time I started with junk, I would fold... Just as I hope any good player would, I only bet solid hands. When I did bet, I made sure it was a smart move. This apparently upset another player because my hands were very strong, I won about 4 or 5 times in a row and he instantly called me "rigged" insisting upon it for about five minutes straight.

Next thing I know? Ten or fifteen minutes later my chips are shrunk down to $4000ish and he has the big stack. Players online are so worried that the system may be fixed since they cannot see the structure, so when they have a couple bad beats ... Rigged! There is one solid difference in the turning of online poker, the entire deck is randomly generated. Not pre-determined all in a line, at least from what I know. Play your cool, we all get our bad beats, just play your money like it matters--As you should.

I know I am probally putting this in the wrong place,and will get blasted and say well dont play there but here we go anyway.All this online poker is rigged has legs I have lost countless dollars all I do is play tourneys by the way. I have sit and watched and said to myself well your luck is just bad,it will get better,they are just lucky,but damn how many times have people got to hit a one outer over and over before you finally say God Damn I am getting cheated.I ventured into a larger than normal for me and was doing ok it was early I am attaching the hand and no I dont know how to do the proper way of posting it. First off the guy that beat me had every reason to be in the hand but the third guy ther is no way he should have been in this hand unless he knew what was coming I mean no poker player would call with that with 2 raises and 2 all ins in front of you he had to know what was coming.This wasnt a rebuy.Call me whatever but I am a believer now.Does anyone feel like there is anyway to prove anything? I have been the biggest poker stars supporter for years but on the short stack when I go all in I am ahead 90%of the time,and I lose probally 90% of the time thats not right.If you don't agree thats fine,but I do know there are others that fell this way now,and I want my voice heard if it takes me going to the wsop with my story somethings fishy. This guy flopped a straight and called 2 all ins in front of him I am not buying it.


PokerStars Game #59814092461: Tournament #413010116, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2011/03/26 2:17:11 ET
Table '413010116 4' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: wespot75 (4685 in chips)
Seat 2: fishon9999 (5710 in chips)
Seat 3: Habyt (1730 in chips)
Seat 4: saschala (2040 in chips)
Seat 5: Bobba Gee (1985 in chips)
Seat 6: KodyKirlinko (4670 in chips)
Seat 7: NhPokah (4825 in chips)
Seat 8: xjuanma (3135 in chips)
Seat 9: pokerbull111 (2000 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
wespot75: posts the ante 20
fishon9999: posts the ante 20
Habyt: posts the ante 20
saschala: posts the ante 20
Bobba Gee: posts the ante 20
KodyKirlinko: posts the ante 20
NhPokah: posts the ante 20
xjuanma: posts the ante 20
wespot75: posts small blind 75
fishon9999: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wespot75 [Ad Ah]
Habyt: folds
saschala: folds
Bobba Gee: folds
KodyKirlinko: folds
NhPokah: raises 150 to 300
xjuanma: folds
wespot75: raises 150 to 450
fishon9999: raises 750 to 1200
NhPokah: raises 3605 to 4805 and is all-in
wespot75: calls 4215 and is all-in
fishon9999: calls 3605
*** FLOP *** [8s Js 9s]
*** TURN *** [8s Js 9s] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [8s Js 9s 4d] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
fishon9999: shows [Th Qc] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
NhPokah: shows [As Ks] (a flush, Ace high)
NhPokah collected 280 from side pot
wespot75: shows [Ad Ah] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
NhPokah collected 14155 from main pot
wespot75 finished the tournament in 222nd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14435 Main pot 14155. Side pot 280. | Rake 0
Board [8s Js 9s 4d 9h]
Seat 1: wespot75 (small blind) showed [Ad Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 2: fishon9999 (big blind) showed [Th Qc] and lost with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: Habyt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: saschala folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Bobba Gee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: KodyKirlinko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: NhPokah showed [As Ks] and won (14435) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: xjuanma (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

You have convinced me. I have been waiting for this kind of proof for years now. Great we finally have it.

So the guy that is a superuser and could see all the hole cards lost? If he could see the cards that were coming wouldnt he use that skill to win rather than lose? A+ thread.

Ok smartasses I figured it was coming just move on No fckn way someone calls with that bull**** with 2 raise and 2 all in ahead of him my god he had Q 10 off keep thinking its legit and they will keep doing what they are doing.something is shady and I don't know if its poker stars or the players

I liked "All this online poker is rigged has legs" - reminded me of when I saw Chuck Palahniuk, the author of Fight Club speak and he read from his latest book which was written in messed up prose. Also, REM lyrics came to mind.

Another customised scenario from the mischievous handulator.

Maybe you're not doing enough random mouse-clicks?

Since when is it that you ever should be behind?

You are either ahead or behind! So what am I thinking when in a hand? 'I think I have the best hand here but unfortunately I should be behind so, lol, I'm gonna fold'?

You're definitely playing way over your skill level. Hurrrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

^^this. and prolly over your roll.


you are the only smartass itt. i seen these calls hundreds of times, even in higher games. fish do play $55-donkaments, you´re the best evidence.