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11-10-2010 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HU4CrustyRollz

Playing a game which you know you can't win yet continue to do so is truly the height of degeneracy / ******edness. OP please die.
I just ****ing lost it in the middle of class
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11-10-2010 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
I hate always going back to this metaphor, but sometimes it is the only way to get it through to people who don't understand what actual logic is.

If I say you beat your wife, do you think I should prove you beat your wife or do you think it's up to you to prove that you don't beat your wife?
I am a german jurist. Actually in criminal law you/ the prosecution has to prove that he has beat his wife.
I can not imagine it is different in the US.
Not that I am saying it is rigged by any means. But your metaphor seems off.
No offense, btw.
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11-10-2010 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Justice
I am a german jurist. Actually in criminal law you/ the prosecution has to prove that he has beat his wife.
I can not imagine it is different in the US.
Not that I am saying it is rigged by any means. But your metaphor seems off.
No offense, btw.
I agree. That's why the analogy is accurate.
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11-10-2010 , 03:22 PM
Why would a site rig the $2 games? I guess because maybe the $2 players are only ones who would keep playing on rigged site?

Op seems pretty ****ing stupid, so I guess I answered my own question.

Carry on.
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11-10-2010 , 03:26 PM
What kind of ****** raises to 4BB with AA and a limper in the pot? Just shove pre imo.
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11-10-2010 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
I agree. That's why the analogy is accurate.
Nevermind. I am a bit drunk right now and got it wrong. Of course if he is acting in the role of prosecution he gas to prove it. No hard evidence or REAL chain of signs --- no conviction.
I am just reading this for the laughs/ to get in peoples minds. You obviously have more experience dealing with the riggies
Good job and thanks for doing it. At least for my laughs, someone has to keep it going
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11-10-2010 , 03:28 PM
because $2 players will never take the time, money or effort to check their hands or run a statistical analysis to see if anything is off...they just think man i am unlucky or "all online poker is rigged".

and for what its worth, i am a winning player despite the stupid **** Pstars tries every other hand....when he checked the flop, i knew immediately he had either hit a smaller set or flopped the straight. it was hard to put him on the straight though since i doubted anyone was limp calling UTG with Q 10 but i figured either way jokerstars was going to help him out. when all the other str8 and flush draws missed by the river and he led out half the pot i figured he had JJ or something so i raise for value...when he comes over my 3bet, i am not laying AA down here, but i am certainly not shoving either.

make sense?

and again, why are microstakes hand omitted ?
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11-10-2010 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ktx
when he checked the flop, i knew immediately he had either hit a smaller set or flopped the straight.
how could this be true?
ur saying his flop checking range after flatting a raise pf is comprised only of JJ, KK, and QT? so he limps JJ and KK pf? and on top of that he limps them pf and doesnt limp raise?

so if he has QT then he has KT right? so KT leads the flop? what about KJ? if he checks with JJ then he doesnt check with KJ? what about 56s? he just automatically donks out with hands that have no equity always?
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11-10-2010 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ktx
because $2 players will never take the time, money or effort to check their hands or run a statistical analysis to see if anything is off...they just think man i am unlucky or "all online poker is rigged".

and for what its worth, i am a winning player despite the stupid **** Pstars tries every other hand....when he checked the flop, i knew immediately he had either hit a smaller set or flopped the straight. it was hard to put him on the straight though since i doubted anyone was limp calling UTG with Q 10 but i figured either way jokerstars was going to help him out. when all the other str8 and flush draws missed by the river and he led out half the pot i figured he had JJ or something so i raise for value...when he comes over my 3bet, i am not laying AA down here, but i am certainly not shoving either.

make sense?

and again, why are microstakes hand omitted ?
It all went wrong on the flop.
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11-10-2010 , 03:38 PM
Move up where they respect your raises.
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11-10-2010 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Justice
Nevermind. I am a bit drunk right now and got it wrong. Of course if he is acting in the role of prosecution he gas to prove it. No hard evidence or REAL chain of signs --- no conviction.
I am just reading this for the laughs/ to get in peoples minds. You obviously have more experience dealing with the riggies
Good job and thanks for doing it. At least for my laughs, someone has to keep it going
Oh yeah, this thread is purely entertainment value most of the time. Occasionally interesting stats are provided and a good conversation is had, but that's a rarity.
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11-10-2010 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1
how could this be true?
ur saying his flop checking range after flatting a raise pf is comprised only of JJ, KK, and QT? so he limps JJ and KK pf? and on top of that he limps them pf and doesnt limp raise?

so if he has QT then he has KT right? so KT leads the flop? what about KJ? if he checks with JJ then he doesnt check with KJ? what about 56s? he just automatically donks out with hands that have no equity always?

yes anything other than a set or a straight is probably leading the flop and the turn because of the number of scare cards they wouldnt want to see

yes his limp calling range UTG would probably be a big PP since idiots at these 2 and 5NL are afraid of scaring people away when they have big hands in early position....so you're really going to sit here and tell me that you would put him on Q 10 here before the river re-raise?

gtfo i hate people who never play the ultra micros and will sit here and talk about equity and ****....this is 5NL. people limp call with aces all the ****ing time...
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11-10-2010 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ktx
yes anything other than a set or a straight is probably leading the flop and the turn because of the number of scare cards they wouldnt want to see

yes his limp calling range UTG would probably be a big PP since idiots at these 2 and 5NL are afraid of scaring people away when they have big hands in early position....so you're really going to sit here and tell me that you would put him on Q 10 here before the river re-raise?

gtfo
how did what i said imply that whatsoever?

no. ofc not. i would bet the flop, bet the turn, and bet the river. and be super excited if the money got all in. and if he has QT its just a massive cooler. but you clearly have no concept of hand ranges.

you're playing 2nl and 5nl. you have a lot to learn. i play 2/4-25/50.

referring to your earlier statement/threat. im not interested in fighting or anything like that. but i would gladly play you HU online or live for any amount of money you want.

edit- and will prop bet you up to 50k that i can beat the micros for a higher rate than you can.
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11-10-2010 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Oh yeah, this thread is purely entertainment value most of the time. Occasionally interesting stats are provided and a good conversation is had, but that's a rarity.
I really like this site too:
http://fulltiltpokerrigged.blogspot.com/

No comprehension of set, coin flip... Least of all variance, maths etc.
Never played on Full Tilt though

This magic612 guy on youtube is pure gold too...

And for the riggies out there pokerprolabing. How do you explain this guys results:
http://www.pokerprolabs.com/Chris%2b...tiltpoker.aspx
Not that it is a good sample. But the guy quoting Iveys results (14 games): Comedy!
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11-10-2010 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Oh yeah, this thread is purely entertainment value most of the time. Occasionally interesting stats are provided and a good conversation is had, but that's a rarity.
Therefore not really surprising why the so called "shills" are staying here
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11-10-2010 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1
how did what i said imply that whatsoever?

no. ofc not. i would bet the flop, bet the turn, and bet the river. and be super excited if the money got all in. and if he has QT its just a massive cooler. but you clearly have no concept of hand ranges.

you're playing 2nl and 5nl. you have a lot to learn. i play 2/4-25/50.

referring to your earlier statement/threat. im not interested in fighting or anything like that. but i would gladly play you HU online or live for any amount of money you want.

edit- and will prop bet you up to 50k that i can beat the micros for a higher rate than you can.
E-penis flexing ITT.
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11-10-2010 , 04:27 PM
How the **** do you think Pokerstars benefit from rigging the game against you OP?
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11-10-2010 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Justice
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And for the riggies out there pokerprolabing. How do you explain this guys results:
http://www.pokerprolabs.com/Chris%2b...tiltpoker.aspx
Not that it is a good sample. But the guy quoting Iveys results (14 games): Comedy!
This guy must own the site or something.
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11-10-2010 , 04:30 PM
Nice flop check.
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11-10-2010 , 04:31 PM
gtfo.
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11-10-2010 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pbowenroe
How the **** do you think Pokerstars benefit from rigging the game against you OP?
there's a lot of ez answer for that, including the ''They give better all-in EV to fish so they lose less and come more often while they give worse all-in EV to reg so they will still have an edge but not that big.''

You're not going to convince him that way. =P
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11-10-2010 , 04:33 PM
Ive read the page 1 hh for fun. usually i dont i just troll them.

Wow man, your play sucked big time and vilain wasnt even really out of line.
You are really a crybaby. This is SO standard.
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11-10-2010 , 04:37 PM
Since this is 5NL, push all in preflop with AA or KK.

Spoiler:
This is not a level.
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11-10-2010 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1
how did what i said imply that whatsoever?

no. ofc not. i would bet the flop, bet the turn, and bet the river. and be super excited if the money got all in. and if he has QT its just a massive cooler. but you clearly have no concept of hand ranges.

you're playing 2nl and 5nl. you have a lot to learn. i play 2/4-25/50.

referring to your earlier statement/threat. im not interested in fighting or anything like that. but i would gladly play you HU online or live for any amount of money you want.

edit- and will prop bet you up to 50k that i can beat the micros for a higher rate than you can.

first of all, if i didnt have anything left to learn in poker I wouldnt be stuck playing micros much less 2 and 5NL....i never said i play perfect poker and this hand could have been better. my logic may be flawed because i run so ridiculously bad on this stupid site that but id rather keep the pot small with 2nd nuts because i am so often up against the nuts. it turned out that it saved me a bit of money but i'm not doubting the math would say to raise the flop, turn, and shove river. its just funny because i play this wrong but got away with less damage than if i had played this right; is it not wierd that i dont shove over him on the river when i am getting ridiculous odds? its because i KNOW this site ****ed me. it does it so often that if i were to make the "correct" play in these situations, i would be losing enormous amounts of money. as it stands, i am winning at a decent rate(5BB/100 but smallish sampe size for now). i can show you hand after hand after hand where this **** happens but im sure all you will muster is how "standard" that beat is or how i played it wrong. for example the hand two seconds later where i run KK into AK with 70% equity and he hits a straight? everything besides 1 outters are standard?? ya fkn right; there is a reason its called being AHEAD or the favorite.

i will upload full hand histories for any idiot who thinks i am just focusing on bad beats and other "standard" excuses i hear from people who run like god or play above the micros where its actually real poker with a real RNG. there is simply no way that people can call with garbage against my premiums and hit a monster so frequently....
again, what does it say about this site when i feel LUCKY that my AA holds against a smaller PP?

and about the "threat" go re-read the post again it was clearly in a joking manner but i would have no problem playing you if i wasnt broke and playing 5NL but i do find it funny that you challenge me to a huge prop bet or something when you know i won't have the money.

so stay in athens and enjoy your real poker games on pokerstars because some of us are broke and stuck playing this garbage ******** called microstakes on Jokerstars where as someone else has already said; winners lose more and losers win more.

and to any mods who are foaming at the mouth ready to delete this thread and give me an infraction; i've already asked that if you dont like this thread to just move it to rig-tard thread
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11-10-2010 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
Thanks for the response Monteroy. I'm outta this thread. Is there another more appropriate thread where you hang out a lot?
Wow, Monteroy seriously owning the thread. If I come up with some fun rig theories will you give me free coaching too?
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